Some Things you Should Know About Scott Skiles....

wichmae · Post #21 » by **wichmae** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:55 am

if I had a buck for every player that bitched about Sloan, Phil, or hell even Karl I would be rich...

F**k it 50c I would be rich...

bango_the_buck · Post #22 » by **bango_the_buck** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:57 am

yuedar wrote:Now read all those quotes again with that thinking. Notice how all the bigmen this man has coached has failed with him and moved on to do bigger and better things (exception of curry I guess) and tell me how you see bogut fitting into a skiles team. Probably will be ended with him being traded. Thats how.

Please. If anyone on the Bucks roster is a 'Skiles guy', it will be Bogut...

Captain Erv · Post #23 » by **Captain Erv** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:59 am

Let us not forget that this happens every time we, and any other team for that matter, are about to acquire a new player or coach. Fans from their former teams are going to come over here and spew any and all negative things they can come up with.

As for Bucks fans who disagree, I mean come on, not every single person is going to be thrilled about every transaction that is made. We all have our opinions and at the end of the day it just comes down to wins and losses.

bullzman23 · Post #24 » by **bullzman23** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:03 am

wichmae wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

actually no not at all

the Bulls have had major improper roster moves for a while now, couple that with a majorly ineffective GM and you have a recipe for disaster...

Ineffective how? I'm guessing you're going to bring up Kobe, KG, and Gasol. Here are some tidbits that the popular media likes to ignore:

1.) The Bulls-Lakers-Kings agreed to a Kobe trade. Kobe vetoed it and wouldn't accept any trade that involved Deng or Wallace. Kobe (allegedly) made it clear that he didn't want to play with Hinrich so a trade was agreed upon where the Lakers would get Artest, Wallace, and picks while the Kings would get Hinrich. Kobe vetoed that too.

2.) The Bulls made multiple offers for Kevin Garnett but the Wolves passed every-time. They summer before he was traded the Bulls offered Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler, and the 2nd pick. The year KG was traded the Bulls no longer had the contracts to make a deal work financially.

3.) Gasol - A Memphis paper reported last week that the Bulls offered Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Andres Nocioni for Pau Gasol. The Grizzlies rejected and elected to trade for Kwame Brown. Apparently the Bulls could have had him if they signed and traded PJ Brown but Reinsdorf, like most owners, was unwilling to pay the tax. That's not Paxson's fault.

Skiles took thge fal for a mess he didnt create and everyone has since semi seen the light of that mess..

He isn't entirely to blame, but coaches have shelf-lives. He couldn't communicate with his players and the after driving the players up the wall they quit on him. That's his weakness as a coach. Also, the NY Times reported that Scott Skiles told the Bulls that he "wasn't the right man" for the job and asked to be let go. Who knows if this is true, but he "quit" on the Suns as well and Paxson-Skiles were close enough where they agreed to handle the situation so it wouldn't look like Skiles quit on a team in the middle of a season again.

Skiles was the best fit possible there and I wish the Bulls luck with their new coach but when you fire a guy (coach) for GM ineptitude I take heart to that... sorry...

Again, it's not all of Paxson's fault. The Bulls' team has/had two huge holes. A small backcourt and a weak front court. Paxson addressed these two holes by drafting Thomas and Sefolosha. Skiles refused to play Thabo completely, electing to play Duhon. There'd be times many times where we'd have Hinrich, Gordon, and Duhon in at the same time with Duhon defending LeBron James. There was even a time where he was matched up against Antawn Jamison. He also disliked Tyrus Thomas and it was reported that it was personal. During his rookie season, the Bulls had something like a 20-5 record whenever Thomas played at least 20 minutes. This season Thomas was yanked from the starting lineup after about three games even though he played fairly well.... Wallace and Hinrich had been terrible.

Post #25 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:08 am

Captain Erv wrote:I stopped reading after I saw the name Tim Thomas.

bullzman23 · Post #26 » by **bullzman23** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:10 am

Captain Erv wrote:Let us not forget that this happens every time we, and any other team for that matter, are about to acquire a new player or coach. Fans from their former teams are going to come over here and spew any and all negative things they can come up with.

As for Bucks fans who disagree, I mean come on, not every single person is going to be thrilled about every transaction that is made. We all have our opinions and at the end of the day it just comes down to wins and losses.

That's not my intention. Skiles is a very good coach. I said that. He will make you better, but at at the same time don't be shocked when he benches Yi Jianlian for Michael Ruffin or decides to play Bobby Simmons or Desmond Mason at PF. Great coach...but someone said it best. He's success in the mold of a time bomb.

Epicurus · Post #27 » by **Epicurus** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:12 am

Balls2TheWalls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I felt like this before, but I really think that I have 100% trust in what Hammond is doing right now. He has first hand knowledge of Carlisle, and if he thinks that Skiles is his man, then more power to him.

You seem to be assuming that Carlisle wanted the Bucks job, but Skiles was prefered by the Bucks' gm. Very, very doubtful.

wichmae · Post #28 » by **wichmae** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:16 am

bullzman23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Again, it's not all of Paxson's fault. The Bulls' team has/had two huge holes. A small backcourt and a weak front court. Paxson addressed these two holes by drafting Thomas and Sefolosha. Skiles refused to play Thabo completely, electing to play Duhon. There'd be times many times where we'd have Hinrich, Gordon, and Duhon in at the same time with Duhon defending LeBron James. There was even a time where he was matched up against Antawn Jamison. He also disliked Tyrus Thomas and it was reported that it was personal. During his rookie season, the Bulls had something like a 20-5 record whenever Thomas played at least 20 minutes. This season Thomas was yanked from the starting lineup after about three games even though he played fairly well.... Wallace and Hinrich had been terrible.

I really shouldnt comment more but I will say that one two and three are not accurate...

thank you for your input and good luck on the season.....

Epicurus · Post #29 » by **Epicurus** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:16 am

bango_the_buck wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Please. If anyone on the Bucks roster is a 'Skiles guy', it will be Bogut...

True in so many ways.

europa · Post #30 » by **europa** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:16 am

bullzman23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

don't be shocked when he benches Yi Jianlian for Michael Ruffin

If Yi's game doesn't improve by a helluva lot, he'll deserve to get benched for Michael Ruffin.

bango_the_buck · Post #31 » by **bango_the_buck** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:17 am

Epicurus wrote:You seem to be assuming that Carlisle wanted the Bucks job, but Skiles was prefered by the Bucks' gm. Very, very doubtful.

I'm not so sure. It seems as though Carlisle is/was a candidate for the Bucks and Bulls jobs but said he preferred going to the team with a good center and three point shooters. I think that description fits the Bucks much more so than the Bulls (though I'm sure you'll say it describes neither)...

emunney · Post #32 » by **emunney** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:18 am

yuedar wrote:you guys really just don't have a clue...

yuedar wrote:I'd rather have that ex pacers coach.

Well, at least you're informed. Think you can wrassle up a name, you NBA coaching encyclopedia you?

Epicurus · Post #33 » by **Epicurus** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:22 am

Or maybe the bigzy was just pulling some collective legs. But to assume a team like the Bucks would prefer Skiles to Carlisle seems to me a bit bizarre.

trwi7 · Post #34 » by **trwi7** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:25 am

emunney wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, at least you're informed. Think you can wrassle up a name, you NBA coaching encyclopedia you?

bullzman23 · Post #35 » by **bullzman23** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:25 am

wichmae wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I really shouldnt comment more but I will say that one two and three are not accurate...

thank you for your input and good luck on the season.....

Here's your proof.

Grizzlies' Warrick answered call to shine
Emphasis on defense, boards helps Hak contribute more

By Ronald Tillery (Contact)
Wednesday, April 16, 2008

PORTLAND, Ore. -- When the Chicago Bulls placed a call to the Grizzlies, as the NBA's trade deadline loomed, offering a package with Andres Nocioni, Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas as the essential components for Pau Gasol and Hakim Warrick, the potential trade fell on deaf ears.

The Grizzlies flatly declined. Sure, they wanted more for Gasol at the time.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -to-shine/

A source with knowledge of the trade talks said Deng has been included in proposals swapped between the teams, but Bryant has continually threatened to veto almost any deal in which Deng would be included. Bryant wants to be sure that the team he joins has enough talent remaining to compete for the NBA title.

The source said talks between the teams had stagnated, though by no means were they dead. And while the difficulties involved in the deal -- making the salaries match, and trying to trade players onto 15-man rosters now that the preseason roster flexibility has elapsed -- continued to be formidable, the Bulls remained determined to pursue every avenue toward acquiring Bryant from the Lakers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... eng_Bryant

Radio reports in Chicago had the Bulls in the final stages of a three-team deal with the Lakers and Kings that would bring Kobe Bryant to the Bulls. Kirk Hinrich and/or Ben Wallace reportedly were heading to the Lakers, along with the Kings

girlygirl wrote:Sorry, I just don't think MJ changed the game all that much.

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