NBA Finals: Boston vs. LA Lakers - Series BOS leads (2-0)

[Don Draper]

Look we all know that Garnett shoots too many jumpers and does not go down on the blocks nearly enough. And when he does post up, he shoots fallaway jumpers. It's a flaw in his game. Always has been. He's not Kevin McHale, and I wish he were.

But it's not because he fancies himself as the 7 ft Jordan.

To Mr. Watters a flaw = selfishness

[AlciG]

Why do people misspell Cassell's name wrong?

So... what would be the right way to misspell his name?

[tracey_nice]

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That is fine but my point is this:

Kobe Bryant should not be a 1st team defender because a) he doesn't guard the best perimeter player on the other team b) he doesn't consistently play tenacious D

You shouldn't get lifetime achievement awards for 1st team defense.

Or, maybe, he is a 1st team defender, not only because of his man to man D, but his terrific help D; hence, why Phil made him a roamer.

[tracey_nice]

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So... what would be the right way to misspell his name?

LOL

[Jonathan Watters]

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To Mr. Watters a flaw = selfishness

And you continue to try and argue a point you can't respond to. A smarter person would have realized what was good for them and stopped with the childish insults about a dozen posts ago.

[eatyourchildren]

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That is fine but my point is this:

Kobe Bryant should not be a 1st team defender because a) he doesn't guard the best perimeter player on the other team b) he doesn't consistently play tenacious D

You shouldn't get lifetime achievement awards for 1st team defense.

You also don't take away 1st team defense awards based on a flawed viewing of one game, either.

[lataflava00]

k thoughts on the game...

vujacic was clutch, kobe was clutch

odom and gasol were pathetic.. i mean these guys were supposed to be our 2nd and 3rd options.. they were TERRIBLE

on kobe's defesne.... he really has been cheating through screens and it's led to 3's from posey, ray, and others. he needs to step up and live up to the first defensive team.

there is no way pierce is going to have that bad of a game again. lakers need to wake up and realize they are playing in the nba finals

[Curmudgeon]

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Care to expound on why, and what the meaningful difference would be?

I don't know why. Why doesn't Ray Allen play like Adrian Dantley? Part of it probably has to do with Rivers' offense, and the fact that they use Perkins rather than Garnett to post up down low because it's the only thing Perkins can do. Garnett aslo expends much more energy on the defensive end than players like Amare Stoudamire.

[Don Draper]

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And you continue to try and argue a point you can't respond to. A smarter person would have realized what was good for them and stopped with the childish insults about a dozen posts ago.

I've gave you many reasons, and you are obviously going to believe what you want to believe.

I don't see how my last post was an insult?

Why can't you just call it a flaw in his game? Seems to me you just want him to be selfish.

[LLcoleJ]

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That is fine but my point is this:

Kobe Bryant should not be a 1st team defender because a) he doesn't guard the best perimeter player on the other team b) he doesn't consistently play tenacious D

You shouldn't get lifetime achievement awards for 1st team defense.

probably the worst post of the night.

[Don Draper]

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You also don't take away 1st team defense awards based on a flawed viewing of one game, either.

It's based actually on the regular season. It just arose again this game.. I don't see how he got it over Battier.

IN THE REGULAR SEASON, Kobe almost never guarded the opposing teams best perimeter player and he has so many lapses on defensive.

With that said, if Kobe wanted to he could dominate on defense. With Shaq he guarded the best player and he was good at it. But that hasn't been the case for a while now. Also him scoring is more important to his team than him playing defense.

But his first team defense this year was ridiculous and a farce.

[LLcoleJ]

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It's based actually on the regular season. It just arose again this game.. I don't see how he got it over Battier.

IN THE REGULAR SEASON, Kobe almost never guarded the opposing teams best perimeter player and he has so many lapses on defensive.

With that said, if Kobe wanted to he could dominate on defense. With Shaq he guarded the best player and he was good at it. But that hasn't been the case for a while now. Also him scoring is more important to his team than him playing defense.

But his first team defense this year was ridiculous and a farce

actually he played great defense all year long. The first half of the season he was mentioned not only in the MVP but the DPOY. Last year you could question his 1st team status but not this year.

...but ..hey... shh..let me tell you a secret. Battier is a Forward and Kobe is a guard.. so regardless of your feelings over Kobe vs. Shane.. it just doesnt work that way.

wow, you are a big Kobe/Laker hater.

[Jonathan Watters]

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I've gave you many reasons, and you are obviously going to believe what you want to believe.

I don't see how my last post was an insult?

Why can't you just call it a flaw in his game? Seems to me you just want him to be selfish.

No, you really haven't. You've given a couple of horribly reasoned attempts at fending off an argument you have no intention of listening to no matter how correct it is. You have yet to respond to my responses. So please, don't try to act like you've been arguing in any sort of a legitimate manner.

And a flaw in somebody's game would be something they can't correct. Shawn Bradley is skinny. Chris Kaman is slow.

Kevin Garnett is capable of destroying people on the low block on a consistent basis, yet chooses to hurt his team by settling for lower percentage shots on the perimeter.

It is very correctable, and would provide immediate, tangible improvement to his team. We know he has the ability to be a much larger force in the paint, and yet he shies away. We've been seeing it for a decade.

So tell me exactly how this jives with KG's win at all costs persona?

If you do respond to this, it will likely be petty, off-topic, and short.

[eatyourchildren]

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As someone who actually watched 75+ of the Lakers games this season, and last season, and the season before ad infinitum, Kobe played great defense this year. Does he exclusively guard the best player? No.

But he does on crucial possession and is frequently called upon to do so at the end of games. Being a great defender is just as much about being able to lock down on the big plays as it is to hound a guy for the other 46 minutes. I don't remember who said it, was it Thorpe or whoever, but Kobe is still the guy you would want most with the ball or on the ball in the last seconds of a game.

[Don Draper]

And a flaw in somebody's game would be something they can't correct. Shawn Bradley is skinny. Chris Kaman is slow.

flaw- A defect or shortcoming in something intangible

Kevin Garnett is capable of destroying people on the low block on a consistent basis, yet chooses to hurt his team by settling for lower percentage shots on the perimeter.

I never said what you are saying about KG isn't true. But I think you are calling it the wrong thing. That is not selfishness. Why do you think you are the only one out of all the more qualified people in the NBA to realize this? I think it is odd.

And maybe you should go back and read my posts. I'm sorry if I didnt respond to all your posts. I was watching Game 3 of the NBA Finals.

[Don Draper]

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As someone who actually watched 75+ of the Lakers games this season, and last season, and the season before ad infinitum, Kobe played great defense this year. Does he exclusively guard the best player? No.

But he does on crucial possession and is frequently called upon to do so at the end of games. Being a great defender is just as much about being able to lock down on the big plays as it is to hound a guy for the other 46 minutes. I don't remember who said it, was it Thorpe or whoever, but Kobe is still the guy you would want most with the ball or on the ball in the last seconds of a game.

I never said Kobe isn't a capable defender. If the award were about capability then okay I have no argument. But it is not. It is about who played the best defense that season.

Perimeter defenders aren't like low post defenders who are mostly assigned to guard an area (Duncan, KG, Camby) rather than 1 on 1. Perimeter defenders are judged by their man-to-man defense. Why should Kobe be any different. It doesnt make any sense to me.

If it is based on capability then you are right Kobe wins every single time. But it is not.

[Jonathan Watters]

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I never said what you are saying about KG isn't true. But I think you are calling it the wrong thing. That is not selfishness. Why do you think you are the only one out of all the more qualified people in the NBA to realize this? I think it is odd.

Plenty of people acknowledge KG's unwillingness to play in the post. Maybe most don't take it as far as I do, but there are plenty of people in Minnesota who would/do. That is what happens when you watch the guy for the better part of a decade. It isn't just a flaw that he isn't responsible for. He has intentionally crafted his game a certain way, and stubbornly plays that way regardless of whether his team needs him in the post. This is selfishness coming through loud and clear. And you, for some reason, can't acknowledge this.

And maybe you should go back and read my posts. I'm sorry if I didnt respond to all your posts. I was watching Game 3 of the NBA Finals.

Convenient how it would get to the point where there would be nothing you could say, and then you'd let it die before picking it up a couple of pages later.

[eatyourchildren]

Where is BRINGTHEPAIN and MIAMI'sFINEST and FROSTY?

[Don Draper]

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Plenty of people acknowledge KG's unwillingness to play in the post. Maybe most don't take it as far as I do, but there are plenty of people in Minnesota who would/do. That is what happens when you watch the guy for the better part of a decade. It isn't just a flaw that he isn't responsible for. He has intentionally crafted his game a certain way, and stubbornly plays that way regardless of whether his team needs him in the post. This is selfishness coming through loud and clear. And you, for some reason, can't acknowledge this.

I just gave you a definition of a flaw. Why can't it be a flaw?

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Convenient how it would get to the point where there would be nothing you could say, and then you'd let it die before picking it up a couple of pages later.

What the hell are you talking about? I WAS WATCHING GAME 3 OF THE NBA FINALS. Arguing with you doesn't and never will take precedence over any NBA game. I responded whenever I had the chance. You are making an issue out of nothing.

[JellosJigglin]

This was an ugly game for both teams. Neither team should be happy with the way they played. Kobe was finally back to his dominant self and Machine was the difference. Game 4 is going to be a bloody war.