Stoudamire`s no sure thing: C`s eye Cassell

meatball sub · Post #13 » by **meatball sub** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:58 pm

woo **** hoo!!!

celticfan42487 · Post #14 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:18 pm

well Colin you are negating the very reason he'd be good insurance for a Rondo injury.. and that's because he can bring the ball up the floor.

And I said he'd be very imporant because of that in the playoffs against DET, who we all know unlike last game won't go an entire series without playing the diffrence maker Lindsey Hunter was against House/TA/Ray Allen's ball handling skills.

Stoud I doubt is going to bring any more to the table then a House or a TA, but what he does bring is uniquely his own out of all our players save for Rondo.

And I personally think we NEED to have a PG Doc can go to in the playoffs and trust without us having to get buried by the press. Apparently Doc doesn't trust Pruitt so.. get one of those vets in here.

Recent realgm article says Stoud wants to be on a team by THURSDAY. With the Suns in the running doesn't look like we'll be able to play the waiting game. But Sammy was just speculation, honestly who the **** is going to buy out Sam Cassel and why? We can just wait and sign him next year if we need too.

hiphop1 · Post #15 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:27 pm

I would rather sign Mighty Mouse than not get anyone.

Post #16 » by **darrendaye** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:04 pm

Whose minutes are you going to reduce to give Stoudamire the playing time he is going to require before signing a contract? That's my only question.

hiphop1 · Post #17 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:06 pm

TA or House he is better than both of them.

Post #18 » by **darrendaye** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:10 pm

hiphop1 wrote:TA or House he is better than both of them.

He's a better point guard than either of them, I'd strongly debate whether he's better than both of them period. Also, TA has generally played PG in name only as he has generally been paired with House. You look forward to seeing, even if it's just 5 minutes a game, a Mighty Mouse and Rondo or House backcourt?

hiphop1 · Post #19 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:12 pm

I have always been a Stoudamire fan. Plus he is what WE NEED a legit POINT GUARD.

Post #20 » by **darrendaye** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:17 pm

hiphop1 wrote:I have always been a Stoudamire fan. Plus he is what WE NEED a legit POINT GUARD.

All well and good, but, the issue to me still remains that there is only 48 minutes a game to play a point guard (defensively speaking). If you intend to give Rondo at least 28 minutes per, that leaves only 20 minutes to divide between two guys accustomed to playing around that much per game themselves. If you can deal House for something, sure. Otherwise it seems like a tight squeeze.

hiphop1 · Post #21 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:22 pm

I'll let the coach worry about pt get all the talent you can on the team.

eitanr · Post #22 » by **eitanr** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:47 pm

Couldn't Boston just sign Damon to the rest of the season and then Sam can be signed in the off-season? I think the chances of Sam getting bought out and coming to Boston this season is too low to take a risk on. Let's do a little math here.
Let's say in PG ability in the conduciveness of this team, Sam is a 6 and Damon is a 3.5. (That's just the ratio I gave of how much better Sam is than Damon...almost twice as good).
Now I'd say there's a 35% chance that Sam gets bought out. If he does get bough out, there's then an 80% chance he comes to Boston. So that's 6(.35)(.

which then equals 1.68, less than half of Damon's current PG value. So you see, it'd be better to get Damon's PG value now then take a risk on Sam.

celticfan42487 · Post #23 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:00 pm

Actually if everything turns out right he should take away some of Ray and Pierce's. along with some of House and Tony Allen's.

The one star lineup should be reduced with a Stoud-TA/House-Posey lineup as Ray Allen and Paul Pierce sit like KG used to.

But I agree it makes a bit of a log jam. One of House/TA/Stoud could end up with an average of 5 mpg.

House averages 20mpg right now, but TA at 17mpg is just starting to get healthy and Stoud will be new competition.

hiphop1 · Post #24 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:03 pm

Nothing wrong with a little competion

Post #25 » by **darrendaye** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:04 pm

So, it's a 100% chance Damon comes to Boston? Also, three weeks ago, what would your projections have looked like comparing the free Gary Payton and the not yet certain to be released Stoudamire? What was his probability of being released three weeks ago?

Collinto · Post #26 » by **Collinto** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:04 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:well Colin you are negating the very reason he'd be good insurance for a Rondo injury.. and that's because he can bring the ball up the floor.

And I said he'd be very imporant because of that in the playoffs against DET, who we all know unlike last game won't go an entire series without playing the diffrence maker Lindsey Hunter was against House/TA/Ray Allen's ball handling skills.

Stoud I doubt is going to bring any more to the table then a House or a TA, but what he does bring is uniquely his own out of all our players save for Rondo.

And I personally think we NEED to have a PG Doc can go to in the playoffs and trust without us having to get buried by the press. Apparently Doc doesn't trust Pruitt so.. get one of those vets in here.

Recent realgm article says Stoud wants to be on a team by THURSDAY. With the Suns in the running doesn't look like we'll be able to play the waiting game. But Sammy was just speculation, honestly who the **** is going to buy out Sam Cassel and why? We can just wait and sign him next year if we need too.

True, I am negating it if we have Rondo. As backups, I think that TA and House are fine bringing the ball up the floor...taking into account what else they bring to the table. I just don't want to see them for 48 minutes a game. Hence my opinion, injury insurance for Rondo.

I am also not convinced that Doc shuffles his rotation today, for the possibility of 15 minutes of PT against Lindsey Hunter in the playoffs. JMHO.

If Stoud is willing to come in and play Scal type minutes and be a specialist I don't have an issue with that at all. In fact, I think that type of player is needed. What I am not convinced of is that Stoud will come in and log multiple DNP-CD's and be fine with that...

Post #27 » by **darrendaye** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:10 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Actually if everything turns out right he should take away some of Ray and Pierce's. along with some of House and Tony Allen's.

The one star lineup should be reduced with a Stoud-TA/House-Posey lineup as Ray Allen and Paul Pierce sit like KG used to.

But I agree it makes a bit of a log jam. One of House/TA/Stoud could end up with an average of 5 mpg.

House averages 20mpg right now, but TA at 17mpg is just starting to get healthy and Stoud will be new competition.

But, you understand my point. Right? Your fixing to have periods where you have House, Stoudamire, or Rondo defending the opposition's 2-guard. There's only 48 minutes needed to guard the point.

return2glory · Post #28 » by **return2glory** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:18 pm

I also feel we need a true PG for insurance reasons. I want Stoudamire. Sam would be great, but I don't think the Clippers would buy him out.

Stoudamire wants to come here. Stoudamire can be had for the league minium because of the buy out. We only have one true PG on this team in Rondo. Come playoff time, teams will trap us when Rondo goes to the bench because TA or House as the backup. If Rondo goes down with an injury, Stoudamire can step in better than TA or House as his backup.

nasbahceltic · Post #29 » by **nasbahceltic** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:28 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Actually if everything turns out right he should take away some of Ray and Pierce's. along with some of House and Tony Allen's.

The one star lineup should be reduced with a Stoud-TA/House-Posey lineup as Ray Allen and Paul Pierce sit like KG used to.

But I agree it makes a bit of a log jam. One of House/TA/Stoud could end up with an average of 5 mpg.

House averages 20mpg right now, but TA at 17mpg is just starting to get healthy and Stoud will be new competition.

I think TA and House would probably end up rotating based on what the team needs (Defense or Scoring) and I'm perfectly fine with that. Really who cares if TA or House are getting reduced minutes. These guys are professionals and know their roles. These aren't the type fo guys who are gonna whine about minutes IMO.

hiphop1 · Post #30 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:30 pm

nasbahceltic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think TA and House would probably end up rotating based on what the team needs (Defense or Scoring) and I'm perfectly fine with that. Really who cares if TA or House are getting reduced minutes. These guys are professionals and know their roles. These aren't the type fo guys who are gonna whine about minutes IMO.

Glad your coming around.

Hemingway · Post #31 » by **Hemingway** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:35 pm

2 points

1. Why is there all this talk of us being rushed? Are there other teams wanting to sign mighty mouse? Really? If we told him, "hey look, your our second choice but we need to see if Sam gets bought out" couldn't he just tell his second choice team, "look I want to see if Boston needs me first." I mean c'mon the trade deadline is coming up very soon, what is the rush.

2. If we lose out on Mighty Mouse and Sam I am, there is always Payton. Damon is not that much better than GP. So one way of another we will get a vet pg.

hiphop1 · Post #32 » by **hiphop1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:44 pm

Hemingway wrote:2 points

1. Why is there all this talk of us being rushed? Are there other teams wanting to sign mighty mouse? Really? If we told him, "hey look, your our second choice but we need to see if Sam gets bought out" couldn't he just tell his second choice team, "look I want to see if Boston needs me first." I mean c'mon the trade deadline is coming up very soon, what is the rush.

2. If we lose out on Mighty Mouse and Sam I am, there is always Payton. Damon is not that much better than GP. So one way of another we will get a vet pg.

There are actually five other teams interested in him