How can ATL best utilize the new Young-Murray backcourt?

[Jamaaliver]

I'd honestly rather build around DJM.

If DJM leaves, we are in full rebuild mode whether we like it or not.

IDK, man. As good as he's been -- he's not shown the ability to lead a high level offense yet.

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Atlanta's Dynamic Duo figuring things out?

Atlanta is 6-2 in its last eight games, and the team seems to be figuring out the division of labor between Trae Young and Dejounte Murray.

For the season, the Hawks are plus-4.0 points per 100 possessions when both are on the floor and minus-5.2 when either or both are off.

Perhaps more importantly, after shooting 31.2 percent on threes when sharing the floor with Murray through his first 26 games, Young is canning a near-league-average 35.6 percent of his triples when sharing the floor with Atlanta's other primary ball-handler.

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Trae seems to have made the adjustment...

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Trea and DM are fine, its Collins thats the problem. Collins has not been able to live up on his end as being the #3 of the Hawks' big 3. With Collin's contract, he needs to be producing at least on the same level as Sabonis

[D21]

Trea and DM are fine, its Collins thats the problem. Collins has not been able to live up on his end as being the #3 of the Hawks' big 3. With Collin's contract, he needs to be producing at least on the same level as Sabonis

If he really was the problem, he wouldn't have been the best Net rating of the team most of the season, simply impossible.
And Sabonis doesn't have a center next to him receiving sometimes more balls than him
I really don't care of Collins or any other personal stats compared to their contract as long as they are dominating the opponents when playing.

There was no problem with Capela and Collins in the team that reach the ECF, it's the coaching that has changed

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Trae actually putting in some effort this year on the defensive end -- it helps to have a strong defensive lineup around him, as well.

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Trae actually putting in some effort this year on the defensive end -- it helps to have a strong defensive lineup around him, as well.

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Trae will never be a world beater on defense, just need his focus and EFFORT on a consistent basis.

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Trea and DM are fine, its Collins thats the problem. Collins has not been able to live up on his end as being the #3 of the Hawks' big 3. With Collin's contract, he needs to be producing at least on the same level as Sabonis

Collins field goal attempts have declined to 10 attempts per game. He has been closer to a 40% three point shooter in the past.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Trea and DM are fine, its Collins thats the problem. Collins has not been able to live up on his end as being the #3 of the Hawks' big 3. With Collin's contract, he needs to be producing at least on the same level as Sabonis

If he really was the problem, he wouldn't have been the best Net rating of the team most of the season, simply impossible.
And Sabonis doesn't have a center next to him receiving sometimes more balls than him
I really don't care of Collins or any other personal stats compared to their contract as long as they are dominating the opponents when playing.

There was no problem with Capela and Collins in the team that reach the ECF, it's the coaching that has changed

Sabonis doesn't necessarily take a ton of shots though, and produces at a high level facilitating and rebounding, which is what I think he was referring to.

[D21]

Trea and DM are fine, its Collins thats the problem. Collins has not been able to live up on his end as being the #3 of the Hawks' big 3. With Collin's contract, he needs to be producing at least on the same level as Sabonis

If he really was the problem, he wouldn't have been the best Net rating of the team most of the season, simply impossible.
And Sabonis doesn't have a center next to him receiving sometimes more balls than him
I really don't care of Collins or any other personal stats compared to their contract as long as they are dominating the opponents when playing.

There was no problem with Capela and Collins in the team that reach the ECF, it's the coaching that has changed

Sabonis doesn't necessarily take a ton of shots though, and produces at a high level facilitating and rebounding, which is what I think he was referring to.

I see, but Sabonis has 20.9 USG%, compared to Collins' 17 USG%, and we know that when John has a USG% of more than 18, the team is winning a lot.
The problem of this team is that we saw things that lead to a W, we saw other things that lead to a L, but for a reason they decided to not use only what is working good, or act like they even didn't notice it.

[Geaux_Hawks]

If he really was the problem, he wouldn't have been the best Net rating of the team most of the season, simply impossible.
And Sabonis doesn't have a center next to him receiving sometimes more balls than him
I really don't care of Collins or any other personal stats compared to their contract as long as they are dominating the opponents when playing.

There was no problem with Capela and Collins in the team that reach the ECF, it's the coaching that has changed

Sabonis doesn't necessarily take a ton of shots though, and produces at a high level facilitating and rebounding, which is what I think he was referring to.

I see, but Sabonis has 20.9 USG%, compared to Collins' 17 USG%, and we know that when John has a USG% of more than 18, the team is winning a lot.
The problem of this team is that we saw things that lead to a W, we saw other things that lead to a L, but for a reason they decided to not use only what is working good, or act like they even didn't notice it.

I mean that's still not a significant amount. Sabonis is producing like his USG is 25+. He's actually at his lowest USG since his rookie season, and still producing a career year for himself.

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Sabonis doesn't necessarily take a ton of shots though, and produces at a high level facilitating and rebounding, which is what I think he was referring to.

I see, but Sabonis has 20.9 USG%, compared to Collins' 17 USG%, and we know that when John has a USG% of more than 18, the team is winning a lot.
The problem of this team is that we saw things that lead to a W, we saw other things that lead to a L, but for a reason they decided to not use only what is working good, or act like they even didn't notice it.

I mean that's still not a significant amount. Sabonis is producing like his USG is 25+. He's actually at his lowest USG since his rookie season, and still producing a career year for himself.

Totally agree on him producing more than the average player with the same USG%.
But we have to look at what opponent produce also. Now, Sabonis is great but Collins, even if not as good as him, can be really good with just a bit more usage.

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I see, but Sabonis has 20.9 USG%, compared to Collins' 17 USG%, and we know that when John has a USG% of more than 18, the team is winning a lot.
The problem of this team is that we saw things that lead to a W, we saw other things that lead to a L, but for a reason they decided to not use only what is working good, or act like they even didn't notice it.

I mean that's still not a significant amount. Sabonis is producing like his USG is 25+. He's actually at his lowest USG since his rookie season, and still producing a career year for himself.

Totally agree on him producing more than the average player with the same USG%.
But we have to look at what opponent produce also. Now, Sabonis is great but Collins, even if not as good as him, can be really good with just a bit more usage.

I understand where you're trying to go here, but the question then becomes, does a higher USG of JC really equate to winning basketball? Because based on the arbitrary USG% of 18, it suggests we only need to give JC 2-3 additional plays, and we should be winning more games.

We've lost games by more than just 2-3 possessions. I mean take Draymond Green for instance. Not the best shooter or scorer, but he's still a key cog for GS and what they're trying to do on offense. USG% is even lower than JC, but he's one of the best passing bigs and can create for others.

I'm genuinely asking what more can Collins actually do that we aren't getting from him other than being a heavy PnR threat?

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I mean that's still not a significant amount. Sabonis is producing like his USG is 25+. He's actually at his lowest USG since his rookie season, and still producing a career year for himself.

Totally agree on him producing more than the average player with the same USG%.
But we have to look at what opponent produce also. Now, Sabonis is great but Collins, even if not as good as him, can be really good with just a bit more usage.

I understand where you're trying to go here, but the question then becomes, does a higher USG of JC really equate to winning basketball? Because based on the arbitrary USG% of 18, it suggests we only need to give JC 2-3 additional plays, and we should be winning more games.

We've lost games by more than just 2-3 possessions. I mean take Draymond Green for instance. Not the best shooter or scorer, but he's still a key cog for GS and what they're trying to do on offense. USG% is even lower than JC, but he's one of the best passing bigs and can create for others.

I'm genuinely asking what more can Collins actually do that we aren't getting from him other than being a heavy PnR threat?

I'm still not sure but I don't think that it works like "giving him 2 or 3 more balls and we win more games" because like you said, some L are by more than that.
It's more about a way of playing the game, and the difference on John extends to the team. Last season, the team won a lot of games when he was shooting 2 or 3 times from the 3pts line, and lost a lot when shooting only 0 or 1, or 4 or more: you can translate it by "when he shoots two or three 3s, it's that he's used both near and far away from the basket" and when you alternate things, have more movement, it's often easier to win.

So it's not basically giving him 2 or 3 more shots, it's that when it happens, it was most of time when the team was playing its best bball with more movement.

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