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which other recent players have gone from all-star to over the hill as fast as ray allen?


i'm thinking gary payton in 2004

Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.

I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.

agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.

I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.

Not a Heat fan, apparently.

I don't think Ray's problem is that he's past his prime. I mean he might be a little, but this playoff series isn't a fair way to judge him IMO.

He's just in a monumental shooting slump right now. To say that it's because he's declining way faster than any pure shooter ever is pretty short-sighted.

mitchweber wrote:I don't think Ray's problem is that he's past his prime. I mean he might be a little, but this playoff series isn't a fair way to judge him IMO.

He's just in a monumental shooting slump right now. To say that it's because he's declining way faster than any pure shooter ever is pretty short-sighted.

I guess we'll see if Ray-Ray can do better against the Pistons. IMO, I think not.

He was good in the first series and in the regular season. This was just a bad series, IMO.

agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.

I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.

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The word you're looking for is flak. But I'll cut you some slack.

Well played, sir.

agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.

I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.

i don't think so

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breakin ... 36301.html

It's a long season and Ray is pretty old. I guess it depends on what you mean by fast decline. I suppose it's possible he's washed up, but I think it's more likely that he has just reached an age where he needs to have played fewer minutes at this point of the season. He needs to be a 6th or 7th man, like Finley became. If they do that next season, he could be deadly again in limited minutes.

Ray was having a tough time in this series with the physical play of Wally and the quick double teams, and just never got going. That could be very different when they play the Pistons.

Wade did not decline nearly that much, he played a bit gimpy. He went from Flash, back to normal Wade. Ray went from Jesus Shuttlesworth, to Walter Allen... Walter

mitchweber wrote:I don't think Ray's problem is that he's past his prime. I mean he might be a little, but this playoff series isn't a fair way to judge him IMO.

He's just in a monumental shooting slump right now. To say that it's because he's declining way faster than any pure shooter ever is pretty short-sighted.

Agreed. He is declining a bit for sure, but nowhere near as much as some seem to think. He hasn't gone from All-Star to over the hill-- he's gone from All-Star to borderline All-Star/just below All-Star level. He was a very good player this year for the Celtics, he's just way off right now.

I don't see any real reason to believe he's gone from one of the best shooters in the NBA to a terrible one over night (since game 6 of the Atlanta series)? It's an 8 game sample size where he's missing shots he has hit all his life. He'll bounce back, whether it's the Detroit series, the NBA finals or next season.

dcash4 wrote:which other recent players have gone from all-star to over the hill as fast as ray allen?


i'm thinking gary payton in 2004

You have to cut Payton a little slack. 2004 was his 14th season; he'd played something like 42 to 43,000 regular seasons and playoff minutes. When you've got a peak as long and consistent as that, a dropoff is expected. And Payton was still pretty good in 2004 (and 2005).

Ray Allen is a good 8000 to 10000 mintues behind Payton in minutes played. And the fact that Ray Ray is a shooting slump now highlights what's been going on for a few years; he's lost some quickness, which affects his D and (interestingly) his ability to pass out of double teams or tough D. he's a much more one dimensional player now than he was 2 or 3 years ago, and when his one dimension isn't going for him, he looks pretty average out there.

agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.

I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.

How did Zo suddenly decline? He had a disease, and at his age, most people wouldn't have been able to come back and play a pro sport at a high level like he did. It's a testament to his work ethic and heart that he was able to come back after and play amazing defense in limited action. That's not a decline.

Sorry. couldn't cut u any slack for that one.

Don't think he should of even been an all-star even though he did well in the game.. but he's not THAT BAD.. just sucked really bad this playoffs.. obviously his play is going to decline though.