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10-20 games.

Ehh, lets not get too crazy here. The 04-05 Hawks were completely awful, Cleveland would thrash them, and even they won 13 games. Also to the posts referring to the lack of youth... the question wasn't how good their future would be. There's no way this supporting cast doesn't get to 20. They'd just be a run-of-the-mill bad squad.

Floppy, you know I love you, but the West is not twice as hard as the East. Heck, every team in the league plays 58 identical games, so you're implying that those remaining 24 would swing the difference by 10 games? The Sonics wouldn't win 35 in the East, would they?

Paydro70 wrote:Ehh, lets not get too crazy here. The 04-05 Hawks were completely awful, Cleveland would thrash them, and even they won 13 games. Also to the posts referring to the lack of youth... the question wasn't how good their future would be. There's no way this supporting cast doesn't get to 20. They'd just be a run-of-the-mill bad squad.

I disagree.

West / Jones
Pavlovic / Gibson
Szcerbiak / Brown
Smith / Varajeo
Ilgauskas / Wallace

That team would definitely struggle to win 15-20 games. Maybe even less.

No one who can consistently create shots for others OR even for themselves.

Who would lead the team in scoring? Z? West? Sczerbiak? None of those guys are even a good #2 option right now, and other then Z, I wouldn't like West or Szcerbiak as my #3 options unless my #1 and #2 options were ridiculously good.

That team would be solid defensively, but historically bad offensively.

All I know is they wouldn't score over 70 very often...

My point is simply how can Cleveland justify doing this to Lebron? It seems like they're not even trying to put together a supporting cast. And does anyone like Mike Brown? I think he's terrible. I remember him just giving up on a couple games in the San Antonio sweep.

Why don't they at least put a point guard on the team so that Lebron doesn't have to pound the ball for 20 seconds every play?

You know the season before they got LBJ, well thats them all over again.

The hughes signing killed them.

BBen wrote:Honestly, how good would the Cavs be without Lebron? I personally think they'd be by far the worst team in the league.[/list]

Absolutely they are.

Miami was the worst this year, but they obviously tanked. Then you look at the Knicks, Sonics, Clippers, and Grizzlies... the Knicks are overpaid but not as bad as the Bron-less Cavs, the other 3 are better.

LeBron is reaching the point where he cant possibly be overrated.... that team of has beens and scrubs is only in the playoffs year after year because of Bron.

West/Gibson
Wally/Shannon
Pavlovic/Newble
Wallace/JoeSmith
Big Z/Varejao

Who scores on that team? Who defends?

That's a team thats horrible, for the ages.

Icefire10304 wrote:The Cavs really need a post player that can hit jumpshots. David West is a good example

Maybe ge Boozer?

Opps....haha

Honestly, thats exactly what LBJ needs. If He had Boozer at PF, Cleveland probably is a lock for the Finals in the East for the next decade. Hell, they'd have given SA a fight in the Finals. LBJ is just that good and creates so much for anyone else. Boozer not only would be a consistent All-Star in the East (appose to competing with Duncan, Dirk, Amare, KG before he was traded).

Paydro70 wrote:Floppy, you know I love you, but the West is not twice as hard as the East. Heck, every team in the league plays 58 identical games, so you're implying that those remaining 24 would swing the difference by 10 games?

I was picking from ranges. 21 East wins and 14 West wins satisfies both my selections, and is only 7 games apart. I don't think that is unreasonable given the dramatic difference in schedule strength. Having 58 games in common is only part of the story. The other 24 are very different.

Just saw that Cavs have the 4th highest payroll....ughh Ferry is a effin idiot.

So then Lebron should be MVP right?

bove310 wrote:I would have to say they would be the worst team ever assembled since they have the worst supporting cast ever put around an elite player.

Right now yes, in the last 15 years it's Tracy McGrady with the Orlando Magic.

So then Lebron should be MVP right?

Yes, absolutely. He's by far and away the most valuable player to any franchise in the league. Unfortunately that's not how MVP voting works in practice, it's just theory.