Kevin Durant-Nets/Suns- 22-23 Thread- any last thoughts on Bradley Beal?

[rk2023]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

[One_and_Done]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

The Suns would have beaten Denver this year if healthy, and Beal is an upgrade & now they have an offseason to gel and get better vet mins to round out the roster.

CP3 was having one of his good games in game 3, and the Suns were leading before he got hurt. They go up 2-1 and win the next 2 it's series over. Then Booker gets hurt in Q1 of gane 5 and looks hobbled for the rest of the series (he shot like trash from Q2 to the end of game 6), and in game 6 Ayton, the one Jokic defender, is gone too.

[TroubleS0me]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

The Suns would have beaten Denver this year if healthy, and Beal is an upgrade & now they have an offseason to gel and get better vet mins to round out the roster.

CP3 was having one of his good games in game 3, and the Suns were leading before he got hurt. They go up 2-1 and win the next 2 it's series over. Then Booker gets hurt in Q1 of gane 5 and looks hobbled for the rest of the series (he shot like trash from Q2 to the end of game 6), and in game 6 Ayton, the one Jokic defender, is gone too.

On paper it seems like it but we will find out if they all FIT together

[One_and_Done]

Beal is clearly an upgrade over an injured and old CP3. Plus he helps provide the high pick and roll, 3pt shooting that kills Jokic.

[rk2023]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

The Suns would have beaten Denver this year if healthy, and Beal is an upgrade & now they have an offseason to gel and get better vet mins to round out the roster.

CP3 was having one of his good games in game 3, and the Suns were leading before he got hurt. They go up 2-1 and win the next 2 it's series over. Then Booker gets hurt in Q1 of gane 5 and looks hobbled for the rest of the series (he shot like trash from Q2 to the end of game 6), and in game 6 Ayton, the one Jokic defender, is gone too.

To address your former point, "X team could have beaten Y if healthy" is one of the most flawed arguments possible, as we could say this about the Clippers over Phoenix, Milwaukee over Miami, and many more examples just recently. There's no way to possibly conclude what would happen fully healthy, and on that note.. CP3 was injured in Game 2 not 3. I will say, I agree Phoenix could have taken Game 2 had he been healthy and played the rest of it; as Denver adjusted, Phoenix couldn't self-create and had somewhat a whiplash effect - leading to their implosion down the stretch. But if they win game 2, why is it a given they play with the same urgency in Games 3 and 4? Not to mention the Suns playing at a much faster pace in Game 3 and somewhat faster pace in G4 (both compared to G2) in Paul's absence. And not to further mention Booker's supernova (circling back under/to urgency) performances in G4 that regressed back to and past the mean. In G5/6, it was much more Phoenix's defense getting carved like a thanksgiving turkey than any offensive drawbacks - though one of the most well-fed elephants in the room in regards to the latter was Durant's implosion in G5/6.

As for Ayton being gone in G6: In 137 minutes, Ayton and Jokic shared the floor together - the Suns were outscored by 15.46 points per 100 plays / 108.3 - 123.76. In all of his 148 minutes, the Suns were outscored by 17.4 (108.1-125.5). He had a -15.7 on/off swing in the series. With Ayton as the primary defender, Jokic went 38/66 from the field for 93 points and drew 9 shooting fouls. So much for "the one Jokic defender".

Denver was clearly the better team - no surprise as they were the class of the West and class of the League. No need to discredit them off of inconsistent and flawed logic. Is Phoenix better now that they acquired Beal? Yes. Are they on Denver's tier? We have no way to prove that just yet.

[TheGOATRises007]

That is either some brilliant trolling or insane delusion.

The Suns were never beating the Nuggets this season. Get serious.

[One_and_Done]

Yeh, I disagree.

[ShotCreator]

CP3 is probably done. And yet this is another trade where his team loses somehow.

At a $16M cap hit CP3 is worth way more than Beal.

So yeah, it went about as badly as I expected. Even a CP3 on his last hamstrings is still better than an overrated quasi-star like Beal, especially on a loaded team such as this.

[rk2023]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

First team out of the playoffs

[cpower]

Beal is clearly an upgrade over an injured and old CP3. Plus he helps provide the high pick and roll, 3pt shooting that kills Jokic.

but ....but they dont have a bench and dont play defense nor create for each other...that sounds like a great team for ya?

KD is clearly not that guy, he is basically a glorified version of DeMar DeRozan

[One_and_Done]

Beal is clearly an upgrade over an injured and old CP3. Plus he helps provide the high pick and roll, 3pt shooting that kills Jokic.

but ....but they dont have a bench and dont play defense nor create for each other...that sounds like a great team for ya?

KD is clearly not that guy, he is basically a glorified version of DeMar DeRozan

Beal was a huge disappointment. Unfortunate that he never seemed to get healthy. Calling KD Demar is pretty silly tho. However these guys would have won 55+ if healthy, and then they're not playing the Wolves in Rnd 1. Injuries and bad scheme really hurt them. The Wolves were also just better.

[SpreeS]

Beal is clearly an upgrade over an injured and old CP3. Plus he helps provide the high pick and roll, 3pt shooting that kills Jokic.

but ....but they dont have a bench and dont play defense nor create for each other...that sounds like a great team for ya?

KD is clearly not that guy, he is basically a glorified version of DeMar DeRozan

Beal was a huge disappointment. Unfortunate that he never seemed to get healthy. Calling KD Demar is pretty silly tho. However these guys would have won 55+ if healthy, and then they're not playing the Wolves in Rnd 1. Injuries and bad scheme really hurt them. The Wolves were also just better.

How many wins would PHO has If all teams from WEST would be healthy?

[Mickey8]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

I also think that Suns would have been tougher match up for the Nuggets than Minnesota.

[rk2023]

Suns will torch the Nuggets, if Denver makes it far enough to play them. This title will be remembered alot like the 06 Heat.

Any evidence to support this notion , or just another piece of an anti-Jokic vendetta

I also think that Suns would have been tougher match up for the Nuggets than Minnesota.

Agree to disagree there. Beal and Nurkic would have gotten played off the floor, like they did round 1. KD working in altitude too is something I would not be keen on lol

[OhayoKD]

Trading ayton was dumb me thinks

[Cavsfansince84]

My opinion on this trio barely changed at all over the course of the season. I just pity Booker who is stuck with them as teammates. He deserved better from the Suns.

[AEnigma]

Trading ayton was dumb me thinks

Ayton is nowhere near good enough for you to be this enamoured with him.

Nurkic is only four years older and a consistently better defender at half the cost.