Re: Joel Embiid is a dirty player
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:02 am
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eyeatoma wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Nearly permanently injured a player. Has had multiple ejections during the post season because of the his temper.
Without bringing any other player into this conversation, can you give us a an honest opinion on why you think Embiid has so many flagrant fouls?
Mainly he's a bull in a china shop, and is extremely physical. I'd say 90% are inadvertent, 8-9 percent clumsiness, and 1% intentional.
lessthanjake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:
Without bringing any other player into this conversation, can you give us a an honest opinion on why you think Embiid has so many flagrant fouls?
Mainly he's a bull in a china shop, and is extremely physical. I'd say 90% are inadvertent, 8-9 percent clumsiness, and 1% intentional.
He is, at best, a bull in a china shop. And it’s behavior that is extremely dangerous to everyone playing on a court with him. Joel Embiid does not just have the right to play NBA basketball in a way that is dangerous to the health of other players. He needs to be told by the league that if he does anything like this that looks even plausibly intentional, then refs will eject him and the league will suspend him, and he needs to be told that every single time he looks like he unnecessarily fell over even remotely in the vicinity of any other player he will be given a technical foul. I know he has apparently been told that he should fall over constantly to protect his knees or feet or something, but he is a massive human being and his constant absurd falling over is incredibly dangerous to the other players on the court (see, for instance, tearing Danny Green’s ACL). If, in order to stay healthy, he needs to be unacceptably endangering the other players on the court with him, then frankly he simply is not someone with a body that can or should play professional basketball. And if he doesn’t actually need to do that but instead is doing it to flop for foul calls, then he absolutely has no right to endanger other players in service of gamesmanship. There’s really no other way to put it. You are wrong about him not doing things intentionally—it was clear last night that he was intentionally trying to hurt people, out of frustration. But even just the “bull in a china shop” stuff is completely unacceptable. If he can’t stop doing it, then he should not be allowed to play in the NBA. Again, Joel Embiid does not have the right to play in a way that seriously endangers other players—whether he is intending to do it or not.
EmpireFalls wrote:I absolutely love his villain nature. Dude is a born heel. The Knicks-Sixers series is appointment viewing. We’ve needed the bad guy for a long time. Embiid is that. Keep it up, son.
It’s all entertainment at the end of the day.
eyeatoma wrote:lessthanjake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Mainly he's a bull in a china shop, and is extremely physical. I'd say 90% are inadvertent, 8-9 percent clumsiness, and 1% intentional.
He is, at best, a bull in a china shop. And it’s behavior that is extremely dangerous to everyone playing on a court with him. Joel Embiid does not just have the right to play NBA basketball in a way that is dangerous to the health of other players. He needs to be told by the league that if he does anything like this that looks even plausibly intentional, then refs will eject him and the league will suspend him, and he needs to be told that every single time he looks like he unnecessarily fell over even remotely in the vicinity of any other player he will be given a technical foul. I know he has apparently been told that he should fall over constantly to protect his knees or feet or something, but he is a massive human being and his constant absurd falling over is incredibly dangerous to the other players on the court (see, for instance, tearing Danny Green’s ACL). If, in order to stay healthy, he needs to be unacceptably endangering the other players on the court with him, then frankly he simply is not someone with a body that can or should play professional basketball. And if he doesn’t actually need to do that but instead is doing it to flop for foul calls, then he absolutely has no right to endanger other players in service of gamesmanship. There’s really no other way to put it. You are wrong about him not doing things intentionally—it was clear last night that he was intentionally trying to hurt people, out of frustration. But even just the “bull in a china shop” stuff is completely unacceptable. If he can’t stop doing it, then he should not be allowed to play in the NBA. Again, Joel Embiid does not have the right to play in a way that seriously endangers other players—whether he is intending to do it or not.
Good post, but disagree with the intent to hurt. You have you're right to your opinion though. Let me ask you, Shaq was a bull in a china shop as well, didn't fall on people, but he definitely hurt a bunch with his post moves, massive elbows, bone crushing dunks where he would shove people off him.
As you said doctors said that he should to prevent impact on his foot and knees. It's unfortunate given that others are affected at times. It's a slippery slope when you say there was intent to harm.lessthanjake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:lessthanjake wrote:
He is, at best, a bull in a china shop. And it’s behavior that is extremely dangerous to everyone playing on a court with him. Joel Embiid does not just have the right to play NBA basketball in a way that is dangerous to the health of other players. He needs to be told by the league that if he does anything like this that looks even plausibly intentional, then refs will eject him and the league will suspend him, and he needs to be told that every single time he looks like he unnecessarily fell over even remotely in the vicinity of any other player he will be given a technical foul. I know he has apparently been told that he should fall over constantly to protect his knees or feet or something, but he is a massive human being and his constant absurd falling over is incredibly dangerous to the other players on the court (see, for instance, tearing Danny Green’s ACL). If, in order to stay healthy, he needs to be unacceptably endangering the other players on the court with him, then frankly he simply is not someone with a body that can or should play professional basketball. And if he doesn’t actually need to do that but instead is doing it to flop for foul calls, then he absolutely has no right to endanger other players in service of gamesmanship. There’s really no other way to put it. You are wrong about him not doing things intentionally—it was clear last night that he was intentionally trying to hurt people, out of frustration. But even just the “bull in a china shop” stuff is completely unacceptable. If he can’t stop doing it, then he should not be allowed to play in the NBA. Again, Joel Embiid does not have the right to play in a way that seriously endangers other players—whether he is intending to do it or not.
Good post, but disagree with the intent to hurt. You have you're right to your opinion though. Let me ask you, Shaq was a bull in a china shop as well, didn't fall on people, but he definitely hurt a bunch with his post moves, massive elbows, bone crushing dunks where he would shove people off him.
I think there is a spectrum on this, and obviously Shaq was a huge guy that was very physical and was more likely to hurt someone than a lot of other players. But I genuinely do think Embiid is in a different stratosphere from anyone else I’ve seen—particularly because of the falling over. The frequency at which he falls over combined with the size of his body makes him a very unique health risk to the players around him, IMO. The other stuff that I think is intentional (which you might disagree with) is just icing on the cake IMO, and not necessarily particularly unique to him. To me, it’s mostly about the falling over. I personally would not want my knees anywhere near a guy of Embiid’s size who is constantly falling over, and I can’t imagine being an NBA player who is forced to play on the court with that.
eyeatoma wrote:As you said doctors said that he should to prevent impact on his foot and knees. It's unfortunate given that others are affected at times. It's a slippery slope when you say there was intent to harm.lessthanjake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Good post, but disagree with the intent to hurt. You have you're right to your opinion though. Let me ask you, Shaq was a bull in a china shop as well, didn't fall on people, but he definitely hurt a bunch with his post moves, massive elbows, bone crushing dunks where he would shove people off him.
I think there is a spectrum on this, and obviously Shaq was a huge guy that was very physical and was more likely to hurt someone than a lot of other players. But I genuinely do think Embiid is in a different stratosphere from anyone else I’ve seen—particularly because of the falling over. The frequency at which he falls over combined with the size of his body makes him a very unique health risk to the players around him, IMO. The other stuff that I think is intentional (which you might disagree with) is just icing on the cake IMO, and not necessarily particularly unique to him. To me, it’s mostly about the falling over. I personally would not want my knees anywhere near a guy of Embiid’s size who is constantly falling over, and I can’t imagine being an NBA player who is forced to play on the court with that.
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Nuntius wrote:There really isn't a way to excuse what he did to Robinson. Bear-hugging a player's legs when they're mid-air? That's extremely dangerous and 100% intentional.
Embiid had intend to harm when he did that. And he succeeded in injuring Robinson. He didn't face any consequences for his actions either. It's unbeliavable, really.
lessthanjake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:As you said doctors said that he should to prevent impact on his foot and knees. It's unfortunate given that others are affected at times. It's a slippery slope when you say there was intent to harm.lessthanjake wrote:
I think there is a spectrum on this, and obviously Shaq was a huge guy that was very physical and was more likely to hurt someone than a lot of other players. But I genuinely do think Embiid is in a different stratosphere from anyone else I’ve seen—particularly because of the falling over. The frequency at which he falls over combined with the size of his body makes him a very unique health risk to the players around him, IMO. The other stuff that I think is intentional (which you might disagree with) is just icing on the cake IMO, and not necessarily particularly unique to him. To me, it’s mostly about the falling over. I personally would not want my knees anywhere near a guy of Embiid’s size who is constantly falling over, and I can’t imagine being an NBA player who is forced to play on the court with that.
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The bottom line is that if the only way to prevent injuries to himself is to put others in substantial danger, then he is not fit to play professional basketball. Which might perhaps feel a bit unfair for him, but he doesn’t just have the right to put others in serious danger so that he can play basketball.
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EmpireFalls wrote:I absolutely love his villain nature. Dude is a born heel. The Knicks-Sixers series is appointment viewing. We’ve needed the bad guy for a long time. Embiid is that. Keep it up, son.
It’s all entertainment at the end of the day.
Gus Fring wrote:Last night was embarrassing for him.
Hussien Fatal wrote:Gus Fring wrote:Last night was embarrassing for him.
50 point playoff game on a record low 19 shots. I’m sure he was embarrassed by his performance.
Shewasfly wrote:Now finding out that Mitchell Robinson is injured, Embiid needs to be suspended for the remainder of the series. Like what a horrible POS this guy is. I thought he was just annoying as a player to watch and as a person, but he's just dirty player on top of all that. Just awful all around apparently.