Yao Ming vs Jokic

[LaLover11]

Casuals who never saw Yao playing are hugely overrating him due to his personal accolades, including all-star selection in his rookie year with 13.5/8 line and his last season when he played in 5 games only, averaging 10/5.
Now, don't get me wrong, he was a great player, but never even close to be the best player in the league in any single season, let alone any goat/top-10 consideration. Huge part of his "legacy" is the league's attempt to enter China market, where he was Jordan+Koby+Lebron+Scalabrine at the same time.

I've seen him play twice in person at the Staples Center vs the Lakers.

He was great and was balling
Jokic is also amazing

[Stan]

How did this thread get to 3 pages.

[Rainwater]

Casuals who never saw Yao playing are hugely overrating him due to his personal accolades, including all-star selection in his rookie year with 13.5/8 line and his last season when he played in 5 games only, averaging 10/5.
Now, don't get me wrong, he was a great player, but never even close to be the best player in the league in any single season, let alone any goat/top-10 consideration. Huge part of his "legacy" is the league's attempt to enter China market, where he was Jordan+Koby+Lebron+Scalabrine at the same time.

I've seen him play twice in person at the Staples Center vs the Lakers.

He was great and was balling
Jokic is also amazing

I don’t know how you can watch Yao and believe he is better than Joker.

[Godymas]

i think if Yao had better injury luck and comparable teammates to Jokic it wouldn't be close how far ahead he is over Jokic.

[tsherkin]

i think if Yao had better injury luck and comparable teammates to Jokic it wouldn't be close how far ahead he is over Jokic.

I can't imagine that coming true, to be honest. Especially with the direction the league has taken and his specific limitations.

[Frank Dux]

It's ok we disagree

No, you're functionally wrong about this. Yao's footwork wasn't better, his hooks weren't better, his left hand wasn't as developed and even with his height and jumper, he didn't finish at a higher rate. Like, it's technically inaccurate to suggest his skillset was better than Jokic's, and that's before you even begin considering the impact the threat of Jokic's passing had on his scoring game, let alone the profound difference in their jump shooting ability.

Yao would be unstoppable in today's league

He sure would be stoppable.

Yao's defenders:

Ben Wallace
Alonzo Mourning
Garnett
David Robinson
Tim Duncan


Jokic Defenders:

Gobert
KAT
AD
Chet
Zubac

Quite a difference in defense they faced
Yao Ming would destroy every single of Jokic's current defenders. The problem is Jokic wouldn't be dominating Yao's Defenders.

Jokic would absolutely dominate the guys who guarded Yao. Do you even watch Jokic play?

Jokic doesn’t get fooled into 1v1 matchups, that’s not to say he can’t take an elite defender 1v1, but he’s going to be hunting for the best opportunity for his team to score.

If you put an all time defender like Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, etc on him, he’s going to operate out of the high post, and drag his man out of the paint and orchestrate the offense. He’s an absolute nightmare matchup due to his size/passing/shooting combination.

Look what he does against Anthony Davis. Davis is one of the best all around defensive guys today and Jokic takes his lunch with ease.

[tsherkin]

If you put an all time defender like Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, etc on him, he’s going to operate out of the high post, and drag his man out of the paint and orchestrate the offense.

Also, Yao specifically would get worked up badly by Jokic.

But yeah, someone like Ben Wallace would have lots of trouble with him. Great low center of gravity relative to taller guys, great wingspan, great fundamentals... but he couldn't stop someone who can shoot from everywhere and can go in either direction plus has strong footwork AND excellent passing. You need a proper team scheme to defend Jokic, a single defender can do only so much. Same same with Duncan. Jokic has more range than basically any big of consequence Duncan every guarded AND more post game. Like, none of the named defenders would be huge problems for Jokic unless the opposing team sold out to smother him specifically, and even then, his passing starts to carve you up. Even in the Minny series right now, he's still getting great things done while he's dealing with aggressive heavy coverages.

[MavsDirk41]

This must be a troll thread lol. Yao was great but Jokic is special.

[LaLover11]

This must be a troll thread lol. Yao was great but Jokic is special.

We'll see today in this game 7 vs baby MJ

[MavsDirk41]

This must be a troll thread lol. Yao was great but Jokic is special.

We'll see today in this game 7 vs baby MJ

Jordan averaged 34/8/7 on 45% shooting in game 7s so those are big standards. Lets just hope its a competitive game unlike game 6.

[LaLover11]

This must be a troll thread lol. Yao was great but Jokic is special.

We'll see today in this game 7 vs baby MJ

Jordan averaged 34/8/7 on 45% shooting in game 7s so those are big standards. Lets just hope its a competitive game unlike game 6.

who do you got

[KembaWalker]

I got to see one of Yaos two career 3 pointers in person. The main thing that shocked me was that I had never seen so many Chinese people gathered in one place in Charlotte. Must have been 80%+ of the arena. The guy was a phenomenon. But yeah Jokic absolutely clears on the court, by a lot

[The Warrior]

Obvious troll thread. Jokic is in another stratosphere.

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[LaLover11]

I got to see one of Yaos two career 3 pointers in person. The main thing that shocked me was that I had never seen so many Chinese people gathered in one place in Charlotte. Must have been 80%+ of the arena. The guy was a phenomenon. But yeah Jokic absolutely clears on the court, by a lot

But how?

1 vs 1 to 21

Winner ball

[John Murdoch]

This is like saying Brandon Jennings or Allen Iverson

[MavsDirk41]

We'll see today in this game 7 vs baby MJ

Jordan averaged 34/8/7 on 45% shooting in game 7s so those are big standards. Lets just hope its a competitive game unlike game 6.

who do you got

Im taking Denver tonight

[jfs1000d]

Yao was ahead of his time with a dominant inside post up game with a mid range & 3 point range.

He also was a great defender that can handle shaq's power and still quick enough to defend fast centers.

One of the best passing Big men of his era

Who is better Jokic or Yao Ming

Read on Twitter

Jokic and it isn’t close. Lord, I don’t even put Yao in the top 50 all time.


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[ChipotleWest]

This is a troll thread like when I did who's better Jokic or Scalabrine isn't it? LOL well done op.

[TroubleS0me]

Yao was -in a less talented era- never in the conversation of being the best player in the world.

That should be the end of the discussion right there.

best center in 2007 tho

[LaLover11]

This is a troll thread like when I did who's better Jokic or Scalabrine isn't it? LOL well done op.

Yeah but the difference is that Jokic is Scalabrine in this one. Yao is too much and too big for a Jokic

Wemby will be this era"s Yao Ming.
Great talent but in a bad team