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Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:34 pm**

Everyone tells me to stop crying when I say the refs suck.....well they suck when we lose....they also suck when we win.....they just suck...period.....

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:31 pm**

this was the worst officiated game in a long long time.

there were a lot of phantom calls (for the celtics) and many missed calls (for the lakers)

Lakers will shoot more free throws in LA. this home advantage stuff is ridiculous.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:51 pm**

Lost Angel wrote:this was the worst officiated game in a long long time.

there were a lot of phantom calls (for the celtics) and many missed calls (for the lakers)

Lakers will shoot more free throws in LA. this home advantage stuff is ridiculous.

which calls or non-calls are these?

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:14 pm**

Lost Angel wrote:this was the worst officiated game in a long long time.

there were a lot of phantom calls (for the celtics) and many missed calls (for the lakers)

Lakers will shoot more free throws in LA. this home advantage stuff is ridiculous.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:16 pm**

Duh, everyone knows when Boston gets 30 more free throws, its because they played amazing D and were super aggressive on offense (despite shooting way more jumpshots than the lakers). But when its the other way around, the NBA is fixed. Boston fans are the worst fans in sports

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:19 pm**

Lost Angel wrote:this was the worst officiated game in a long long time.

there were a lot of phantom calls (for the celtics) and many missed calls (for the lakers)

Lakers will shoot more free throws in LA. this home advantage stuff is ridiculous.

Was home advantage ever ridicilous in your eyes when the Lakers was shooting alot more free throws against other teams? Or it only matters now because the Lakers are finally on the other side?

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:37 pm**

DJ Sueko wrote:Duh, everyone knows when Boston gets 30 more free throws, its because they played amazing D and were super aggressive on offense (despite shooting way more jumpshots than the lakers). But when its the other way around, the NBA is fixed. Boston fans are the worst fans in sports

So when your team gets 30 more FT's in a game...You are the first one to say that the refs were unfair to the other team?

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:22 pm**

I don't think its ever happened to the Bobcats haha

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:12 pm**

That was one of the worst officiated games of basketball in the history of the NBA.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 10:13 pm**

DJ Sueko wrote:Duh, everyone knows when Boston gets 30 more free throws, its because they played amazing D and were super aggressive on offense (despite shooting way more jumpshots than the lakers). But when its the other way around, the NBA is fixed. Boston fans are the worst fans in sports

I'm not even from the Boston area, but it's always nice to see stereotyping of a fan base.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:05 pm**

I was watching the game with a fan of the Celtics and a fan of the Kings... Both guys detest the Lakers and Kobe espeically, but even they had to admit that the ref's in that game were downright disgusting.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:12 pm**

Celtsfan1980 wrote:I'm not even from the Boston area, but it's always nice to see stereotyping of a fan base.

Welcome to RealGM.

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:28 pm**

All I heard and I heard this from a Cs fan that by 3rd qt Vegas called the reffs and told them to tone it down since everybody can actually see that this game is rigged............But thats just me , and I heard it from a Cs fan.... :rofl:

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:35 pm**

TonyMontana wrote:All I heard and I heard this from a Cs fan that by 3rd qt Vegas called the reffs and told them to tone it down since everybody can actually see that this game is rigged............But thats just me , and I heard it from a Cs fan....

yup. the leprechauns needed to replenish their gold stocks via vegas ...

Posted: **Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:52 pm**

NetsForce wrote:That was one of the worst officiated games of basketball in the history of the NBA.

LOL. How long have you been watching the NBA-- 15 minutes? That wasn't even the worst officiated game in the NBA finals, and it's not even close.

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:24 am**

Refs will always get blamed for everything

Celtics had the advantage with the refs because of homecourt. Lakers will have the advantage the next 3 games. They will get their share of calls.

If the Lakers lose one of the next 3 they will complain that they didn't get the same "homecourt" calls that the Celtics got when they were at home. If Boston loses their fans will complain about the reffing saying that was the reason they lost.

Happens every year, nothing's going to change. It is how it is..

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:32 am**

Well, I don't recall people complaining about 'homecooking' after game one, soooo I fall to see how to 'make up' for game two, Lakers get all the calls over the next three games.

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:49 am**

Random Poster from hardwood Paroxysm showing that the Lakers were jsut as agressive as the Cs.

Don't like ESPN? How about CBS: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecente ... 08_LAL@BOS

30 shots by LA were layups or dunks. Boston had 18. Let's amend that somewhat by noting that the Celtics were the recipients of a number of 2-shot shooting fouls. They were credited with SEVENTEEN shooting fouls - LA got THREE. If we were to give every one of Boston's 2-shot fouls to the Celtics as a 'layup' or 'dunk' attempt (they had 14), that gives them 32 shots at the rim. Both of LA's two-shot attempts were on layups, I believe (one by Fisher, one by Bryant). That gives LA 32 shots at the rim. Gasol and Odom had 16 of them, and received, again, one foul shot for their troubles.

I'll reiterate simply because it bears repeating: Exactly even at the rim in shot attempts. Seventeen shooting fouls to three. On a night when the two teams took the exact same number of shots at the rim. That's not bad, that's borderline absurd. You pretend like the officiating got better in the second half? First half: 19-2, Boston. Second half: 19-8, Boston. Oh good, the Lakers got 6 extra free throws. "Fouls at the end of the game" don't hold water, because LA only fouled once on Posey - let's take that out. 17-8 in the second half, despite long stretches that saw LA play more at being matadors than at defenders because they were trying to avoid getting called for fouls!

I don't expect LA necessarily be -ahead- in free throws. But one expects them to be within, oh, I don't know, twenty? Fifteen too much to ask, perhaps? You're calling out Odom - maybe he struggled because every time he tried to go in the lane, he got hammered or called for an offensive foul? The same is true of Gasol, who admittedly allowed the officiating to take him out of the game - but it took him out of the game because it was so egregiously bad that he attempted 11 shots right in the paint amidst a significant amount of contact, and was rewarded with one foul shot.

EDIT: Sorry editing errors. Stupid computer.

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:55 am**

Curmudgeon wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

LOL. How long have you been watching the NBA-- 15 minutes? That wasn't even the worst officiated game in the NBA finals, and it's not even close.

The 15 minutes comment was cute. Let's try going back 18 Finals series. In terms of free throw discrepancy, this is something the league has only seen twice going back to 1991, and maybe even further back (I haven't looked). Only one was worse, which involved the Lakers versus Detroit a few years ago.

2008
Game 1: LAL 28 BOS 35 (+7)
Game 2: LAL 10 BOS 38 (+28 )

2007
Game 1: CLE 15 SAS 16 (+1)
Game 2: CLE 29 SAS 26 (+3)
Game 3: CLE 15 SAS 16 (+1)
Game 4: CLE 16 SAS 34 (+18 )

2006
Game 1: MIA 19 DAL 26 (+7)
Game 2: MIA 32 DAL 28 (+4)
Game 3: MIA 34 DAL 26 (+8 )
Game 4: MIA 36 DAL 27 (+9)
Game 5: MIA 49 DAL 21 (+28 )
Game 6: MIA 37 DAL 23 (+14)

2005
Game 1: DET 14 SAS 15 (+1)
Game 2: DET 16 SAS 34 (+18 )
Game 3: DET 17 SAS 20 (+3)
Game 4: DET 23 SAS 24 (+1)
Game 5: DET 23 SAS 21 (+2)
Game 6: DET 19 SAS 26 (+7)
Game 7: DET 14 SAS 19 (+5)

2004
Game 1: DET 30 LAL 18 (+12)
Game 2: DET 31 LAL 25 (+6)
Game 3: DET 30 LAL 13 (+17)
Game 4: DET 41 LAL 11 (+30)
Game 5: DET 39 LAL 33 (+6)

2003
Game 1: NJN 25 SAS 28 (+3)
Game 2: NJN 16 SAS 25 (+9)
Game 3: NJN 17 SAS 35 (+18 )
Game 4: NJN 29 SAS 24 (+5)
Game 5: NJN 34 SAS 29 (+5)
Game 6: NJN 13 SAS 25 (+12)

2002
Game 1: NJN 26 LAL 45 (+19)
Game 2: NJN 27 LAL 24 (+3)
Game 3: NJN 19 LAL 35 (+16)
Game 4: NJN 16 LAL 37 (+21)

2001
Game 1: PHI 25 LAL 27 (+2)
Game 2: PHI 26 LAL 26 (---)
Game 3: PHI 30 LAL 25 (+5)
Game 4: PHI 30 LAL 32 (+2)
Game 5: PHI 26 LAL 45 (+19)

2000
Game 1: LAL 19 IND 23 (+4)
Game 2: LAL 57 IND 39 (+18 )
Game 3: LAL 19 IND 24 (+5)
Game 4: LAL 30 IND 28 (+2)
Game 5: LAL 21 IND 36 (+14)
Game 6: LAL 33 IND 32 (+1)

1999
Game 1: NYK 19 SAS 31 (+12)
Game 2: NYK 12 SAS 35 (+23)
Game 3: NYK 30 SAS 22 (+8 )
Game 4: NYK 28 SAS 28 (---)
Game 5: NYK 16 SAS 25 (+9)

1998
Game 1: UTA 15 CHI 16 (+1)
Game 2: UTA 19 CHI 27 (+8 )
Game 3: UTA 14 CHI 26 (+12)
Game 4: UTA 21 CHI 40 (+19)
Game 5: UTA 18 CHI 20 (+2)
Game 6: UTA 25 CHI 19 (+6)

1997
Game 1: UTA 11 CHI 15 (+4)
Game 2: UTA 35 CHI 33 (+2)
Game 3: UTA 30 CHI 21 (+9)
Game 4: UTA 21 CHI 12 (+9)
Game 5: UTA 25 CHI 30 (+5)
Game 6: UTA 39 CHI 30 (+9)

1996
Game 1: SEA 36 CHI 31 (+5)
Game 2: SEA 29 CHI 42 (+13)
Game 3: SEA 31 CHI 34 (+3)
Game 4: SEA 19 CHI 19 (---)
Game 5: SEA 29 CHI 23 (+6)
Game 6: SEA 10 CHI 20 (+10)

1995
Game 1: HOU 21 ORL 20 (+1)
Game 2: HOU 41 ORL 26 (+15)
Game 3: HOU 30 ORL 25 (+5)
Game 4: HOU 29 ORL 18 (+11)

1994
Game 1: NYK 19 HOU 30 (+11)
Game 2: NYK 15 HOU 18 (+3)
Game 3: NYK 19 HOU 31 (+12)
Game 4: NYK 21 HOU 18 (+3)
Game 5: NYK 29 HOU 16 (+13)
Game 6: NYK 21 HOU 23 (+2)
Game 7: NYK 24 HOU 23 (+1)

1993
Game 1: CHI 19 PHX 15 (+4)
Game 2: CHI 25 PHX 20 (+5)
Game 3: CHI 9 PHX 31 (+22)
Game 4: CHI 33 PHX 33 (---)
Game 5: CHI 24 PHX 26 (+2)
Game 6: CHI 20 PHX 36 (+16)

1992
Game 1: POR 23 CHI 22 (+1)
Game 2: POR 38 CHI 26 (+12)
Game 3: POR 32 CHI 29 (+3)
Game 4: POR 27 CHI 30 (+3)
Game 5: POR 44 CHI 45 (+1)
Game 6: POR 21 CHI 21 (---)

1991
Game 1: LAL 34 CHI 18 (+16)
Game 2: LAL 22 CHI 8 (+14)
Game 3: LAL 25 CHI 24 (+1)
Game 4: LAL 26 CHI 14 (+12)
Game 5: LAL 30 CHI 28 (+2)

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:07 am**

Free throw discrepancy is not the most important factor. In fact, last night the Celtics earned a large portion of that discrepancy by playing good D without fouling, particularly in the 3rd quarter when the game was decided.

Bad calls that are outcome-determinative is the deciding factor. The worst officiated game ever was probably the famous Celtics-Suns triple overtime game in 1976. For starters, the refs simply ignored a timeout call by Paul Silas at the end of regulation, which would have likely won the game for the Suns, since the Celtics had no time outs left and there should have been a technical called. Of course, it might not have ever come to that if the officials had not made a series of simply horrible calls on Charlie Scott, the Celtics' best player that year, to foul him out midway through the 4th quarter.

Your analysis is shallow. You have to have seen the games. Mere numbers of fee throws are unconvincing.

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