Dynasties May Be Over

[dhsilv2]

Lots of parity in the league today but I think Spurs might be next, as long as Wemby stays healthy.

Do the spurs have 3 rotation players beyond Wemby? They're so far away it's crazy, even if Wemby becomes the super goat.

I am sure the Spurs will put a decent team around him.

You need more than decent to be a dynasty. Getting 2 allstars + a legit top 40 3rd guy today is really hard...and to then have a functional bench even harder.

[tsherkin]

Yeah. We didn't have repeat champions from 2003-2008, but the Spurs still won 3 titles within that span. Parity is the highest it's been a long-time.

The Spurs were definitely a dynasty even if they never won in consecutive seasons, for sure. They overlapped with others in the same fashion as the Lakers and Celtics did in the 80s.

[Hellcrooner]

Thats when a tired of not winning Doncic or Giannis joins a Wembayama still on a rookie scale contract on unrestricted F.A thus not forcing spurs to trade away any depth and the Ops theory goes down the toilet.

this is also valid if Lakers/warriors /suns /clipper s are able to fool some team into a star for salary crap and pics for a fitting star , wich is no new develpoment, it has happened in the past.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

No team currently have 2 top 5 players or 1 MVP level plyaer + 2 all-stars. The moment that happens again, dynasties are very much back in play

Durant is borderline top 10 at this point, and he's the best player on the Suns. That is not a big 3. The LeBron/GSW had either the best player in the league + 2 all-stars (Jokic is the best player in the NBA today, and plays with 0 all-stars), or 2 top 3 players + an all-NBA defender.

A Kobe/Shaq equivalent would be Jokic/SGA pairing. How is that team not a favorite with some decent role players?

[HotelVitale]

The Spurs won 5 titles spread over like 20 years or something, you don't have to win 3 titles straight to be a 'dynasty.' Even the Curry W's won 4 over like 11 years of his peak, and the only super dominant 'dynasty' ones were the KD years.

The Nuggets could've easily won that series and been favorites to win a title too, games between good teams aren't pre-written. This idea that 'the best team always wins' or that many teams who won multiple championships were destined to do that is weird and doesn't track with what all of us as bball fans usually know when watching games. Most title winners have multiple games that come down to a dribbling mistake or two here or there, a shot that rims out in the 3rd quarter, an extra foul call or two, etc.

[shi-woo]

Naa we'll see it again. This generation just doesn't think what the past generations did was cool because those guys got dragged through the mud for it (rightfully so). Give it another couple of years, and it will go back.

To dynasty in basketball 2 conditions have to be met it seems.

1.) You have to have a star player, Top 3 in the league

2.) Something absolutely absurd, once in a decade, convergence that no other team can replicate has to happen.

GSW Run- Obviously KD signing after the cap spike, after Steph signs the most undervalued deal in the history of the sport because he twisted his ankle once and everyone hates thin guys that look 12.

MIA run- The best player in the game colluding with his boys years in advance, and leaving his team like it's baseball to form the first superteam via FA

Lakers runs- Shaq bouncing from ORL after his 1st contract, Kobe refusing to play for any team other than LA, the infamous Gasol trade (but but but Marc...). 3 weird, and "that will never happen again" moments

HOU back to back- Best player in the World retiring out of nowhere

Magic years- I mean, the Magic Johnson trade in general Kareem forcing his way there ect. Getting #1 on top of all of that

Celtics: The Robert Parish trade which ot them a top pick that turned into Kevin MCHale. Getting the best PF and Top 5 center of your generation for peanuts...

The only team that didn't win back to back or dynasty because of absolutely crazy circumstances was the MJ Bulls.

A lot of these titles were won by teams with star players and championship cores getting Top picks and drafting generational talent, or the best players of the decade forcing their-selves to a particular organization.

Right now because of all the reasons mentioned in the OP we haven't seen that yet. LeBron and KD keep trying, and it's been embarrassing for them, but there is no doubt in my mind we will see something like this again.

Someone will turn down the supermax and sign for less than they are worth to play for a team. One of these days these morgaging your future trades are going to look terrible. Imagine if Kyrie stayed and Ainge was actually able to make the Davis trade for example. Someones going to force their way to LA or NY or MIA. Paul George just got greedy, that team easily could have been LeBron, George, and AD.

It will happen, just give it time. Social media has kinda taken the sting out of the spot light focused star, but it will come again.

[jg77]

I think OKC can win it next year and has chance to win multiple championships. They lost cause of inexperience. I think they'll be the next GS...they have a lot of talent.

[Beethoven]

Couple of one hit wonders recently (Toronto, denver)... but I do see the Lakers eventually having another dynasty though.

[Sealab2024]

Nuggets fans in shambles. 11 different Nuggets threads on the 1st page of the general board.

[tsherkin]

to form the first superteam via FA

In no way were those Heat the first superteam.

[Chuck Everett]

Nuggets fans in shambles. 11 different Nuggets threads on the 1st page of the general board.

A lot of these are just from Jokic stans. Sometimes, the best player loses.

[Kurtz]

It would take some extraordinary bad luck for either one of (or both) OKC or San Antonio not to become a dynasty by the end of this decade.

[Sign5]

Almost every dynasty had arguably the best player, a top 5-7 player and a top 10 ever coach.

The team that fits that bill will win.

[dhsilv2]

It would take some extraordinary bad luck for either one of (or both) OKC or San Antonio not to become a dynasty by the end of this decade.

OKC has a good shot with all the depth and picks they have...but they're in OKC. Spurs...that's just a tall order. They have one legit piece...getting a team round a star is exceptionally hard.

[Kurtz]

It would take some extraordinary bad luck for either one of (or both) OKC or San Antonio not to become a dynasty by the end of this decade.

OKC has a good shot with all the depth and picks they have...but they're in OKC. Spurs...that's just a tall order. They have one legit piece...getting a team round a star is exceptionally hard.

My only concern with SA is Wemby's health and them suddenly going from the best drafting team in the league to rather mediocre. They have a massive trove of picks though and if they can revert to their previous drafting form they will have no trouble putting a team around him. I think when he's in his prime, the separation between Wemby and the next best guy will be bigger than anything we've seen in a long time.

[AleksandarN]

Couple of one hit wonders recently (Toronto, denver)... but I do see the Lakers eventually having another dynasty though.

How so? With the 2nd apron and how restrictive it is what makes you think they can have another dynasty. Tell me the blueprint.

[AleksandarN]

Almost every dynasty had arguably the best player, a top 5-7 player and a top 10 ever coach.

The team that fits that bill will win.

It is almost impossible to get the depth needed though with this 2nd apron restrictions they have now. You can’t even get cheap vets in the buyout market now.

[Domz]

This will be the 6th different champion in 6 years and there hasnt been a team to make the Finals in consecutive years since GSW in ‘19. We may not see another back-to-back or even a team have a Spurs type run (every other year) for a longggg time


- The days of expensive big 3’s are probably over because no team is going to want to sacrifice their depth after seeing the past couple of years worth of results.

The days of a top duo’s best players practically being ironmen(Jordan/Pippen) or relatively healthy(Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Gasol, LBJ/Wade, Duncan/Parker/Ginobili) are done in this modern era with the way the game is played which has led to more #1 or #2s getting injured or always playing nicked. Not to mention they both have to essentially be HOFers or guys tracking towards that

- The supermax simply provides far too much money for stars to pass up and even if they want a trade later the receiving team is usually handicapped salary and roster wise.

- I also dont think we’ll see a GSW situation again because that was essentially a perfect storm of events starting with no one seeing Curry’s superstar ascent coming and also his early injuries which benefitted GS financially that basically led to the opportunity to sign KD.

It’s going to take another seismic event FA signing or sheer luck to see another dynasty in this era.

Unless if it's your favorite player/team, nobody wants to see a dynasty. As long as Jokic and Murray are still there, the Nugs will be in the thick of it. But it is refreshing to see teams like the Wolves and Mavs make it to the Conference Finals.

[jokeboy86]

Nuggets fans in shambles. 11 different Nuggets threads on the 1st page of the general board.

Is that what this thread is cause I dont see the correlation

[Capn'O]

The Warriors were basically made by having a superstar level player (Curry) on a modest contract and Klay on a favorable 2nd contract. That situation will happen again.

Otherwise, if you have a player who is a good head above his peers (like Jordan was) you can do it. To that point, it's going to be pretty easy to maintain a VERY good team around Wemby if he keeps his health.

We'll see dynasties again.