Re-do the 2016 draft

[ChiTownHero1992]

1 - Philadelphia: Pascal Siakim
2 - L.A. Lakers: Brandon Ingram
3 - Boston: Jaylen Brown
4 - Phoenix: Domanstas Sabonis
5 - Minnesota: DeJounte Murray - what a pairing for KAT (imagine the defense if the lineup was Murray/Ant/KAT/Gobert)
6 - New Orleans: Jamal Murray
7 - Denver: Fred Van Vleet
8 - Phoenix (via Sacramento): Buddy Hield
9 - Toronto: Jacob Poeltl
10 - Milwaukee: Ivaca Zubac
11 - Oklahoma City (via Orlando): Alex Caruso
12 - Atlanta: Malcolm Brogdan
13 - Sacramento (via Phoenix): Malik Beasley
14 - Chicago: Caris LeVert
15 - Denver: Taurean Prince
16 - Boston: Dorian Finney-Smith
17 - Memphis: Gary Payton II
18 - Detroit: Derick Jones Jr.
19 - Denver: Ben Simmons (would be much higher if not for the injuries)
20 - Brooklyn: Georges Niang

Pheonix likely becomes way better building with Sabonis, Hield and Booker (what a wing combo) but may never reach the same status they did with the Paul, Booker, Ayton run

[madskillz8]

Suns had two lottery picks and ended with a once in a lifetime duo of Bender&Chriss

It happens, I mean we had very promising draftees busted hard in the league - A.Morrisson, T. Robinson, etc. Drafting always involve some luck. However, there was a serious incompetency here.

First, Dragan Bender.

Anyone who followed European basketball knew he's not a pro-league material. He was phenomenal in youth basketball categories (possibly as a result of early growth spurt) and entered to the radar of NBA scouts, but flopped hard when he went to higher age categories. Just like tens of other prospect. It is very similar to 5-star high school recruits who are projected as top NBA picks in future mock drafts failing to keep their status over time, and eventually drafted late, or even went undrafted. I remember laughing when I read him as high-potential and top-5 pick in mock drafts by so called "experts". Where were you in the last two years? It was almost absurd as selecting Skal Labissere in top-5. Yet they watched him in better competition (NCAA) and he went from once being 1st pick candidate to all the back to 28th pick. Unlike Skal, I can assure you no one really watched Bender during that time, yet read others opinions and 5 minute highlight videos to evaluate him. Otherwise, it is impossible to call him high potential pick, seeing how much he failed at the pro level. If a player looks disappointing at Israeli league, you can always be sure he will be disappointing in NBA very next year (Yet these experts let a player who dominated one of the best pro-leagues of the world at the same age with Benders fall out of lottery...)

And Marquese Chriss.

When a team trade up in draft for a specific player, you can expect they've really studied their lesson. Chriss busted as well, but it happens a lot. On the other hand, how can you throw Bogdan Bogdanovic who proved himself as a one of the best players in Euroleague as well as Serbian NT as some now 30 years old failed euro-stash project. At that point, it was evident that 24 years old BB alone almost as valuable as 8th pick.

[Mavrelous]

Man, that is one bad draft, Ben Simmons played practically 4 seasons and looks like he's done and he still goes lottery in redraft...

1. Jaylen Brown
2. Domantas Sabonis
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Jamal Murray
5. Brandon Ingram
6. Dejounte Murray
7. Malcom Brogdon
8. Jakob Poeltl
9. Buddy Hield
10. Caris LeVert
11. Taurean Prince
12. Malik Beasley
13. Ben Simmons

You named several allstar and All-nba players, it's far from a bad draft. There's no superstar but many drafts don't have a superstar. How many drafts produced 5 all-nba players (plus Dejounte and Jamal)?

And? This makes it good?
There are 30 teams and roughly 8 rotation players per team, that's 240 of rotation players, there are also roughly 15 drafts contributing these players with the peak of the bell curve around 6-10 years old drafts, an 8 years old draft should be contributing 20 rotation players at least, so in terms of depth this is a bad draft, 2016 should be one of the prime contributers to depth, it isn't, there are 15 active players from it.
WRT to your qualifications, top talents the best 3 players are Brown, Siakam and Sabonis, 0 1st team all NBA, barely any 2nd team all NBA, no 1st options on goods here, no 2nd options on good teams except Murray, who plays with top 15 all time player and great starting 5, 3rd options on good teams and very few of them, so in terms of top talent, it's not good either.

[Deivork]

BPA

0. Brown
1. J. Murray
2. Ingram
3. Siakam
4. Sabonis
5. D. Murray
6. Van Vleet
7. Brogdon
8. Simmons
9. Caruso
10. Poetl
11. Zubac
12. Jones Jr.
13. Hield
14. Levert
15. Finney-Smith

[Ssj16]

Can I put Ben Simmons at 30?

[bluemj32]

Man, that is one bad draft, Ben Simmons played practically 4 seasons and looks like he's done and he still goes lottery in redraft...

1. Jaylen Brown
2. Domantas Sabonis
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Jamal Murray
5. Brandon Ingram
6. Dejounte Murray
7. Malcom Brogdon
8. akob Poeltl
9. Buddy Hield
10. Caris LeVert
11. Taurean Prince
12. Malik Beasley
13. Ben Simmons

I don't think this is a bad draft... several of these players are all stars or borderline all stars for years

Not every draft has an MVP player in it

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[bluemj32]

Wow, that draft sucks. With all of the negativity going around the 2024 draft, I can't think it'll be THIS bad.

what are you guys talking about? 5 all-nba, 6 allstars and Jamal Murray. If the 2024 draft turns out like this, it's a homerun.

This....I don't understand either. There aren't very many 84, 96 or 03 draft classes

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[Fo-Real]

Found it interesting to revisit at this point.

Here's a reminder of how it went.


2016 NBA Draft

1 - Philadelphia: Ben Simmons
2 - L.A. Lakers: Brandon Ingram
3 - Boston: Jaylen Brown
4 - Phoenix: Dragan Bender
5 - Minnesota: Kris Dunn
6 - New Orleans: Buddy Hield
7 - Denver: Jamal Murray
8 - Phoenix (via Sacramento): Marquese Chriss
9 - Toronto: Jakob Poeltl
10 - Milwaukee: Thon Maker
11 - Oklahoma City (via Orlando): Domantas Sabonis
12 - Atlanta: Taurean Prince
13 - Sacramento (via Phoenix): Georgios Papagiannis
14 - Chicago: Denzel Valentine
15 - Denver: Juancho Hernangómez
16 - Boston: Guerschon Yabusele
17 - Memphis: Wade Baldwin
18 - Detroit: Henry Ellenson
19 - Denver: Malik Beasley
20 - Brooklyn: Caris LeVert
21 - Atlanta: DeAndre Bembry
22 - Sacramento (via Charlotte): Malachi Richardson
23 - Boston: Ante Zizic
24 - Philadelphia: Timothe Luwawu-Cabarot
25 - L.A. Clippers: Brice Johnson
26 - Philadelphia: Furkan Korkmaz
27 - Toronto: Pascal Siakam
28 - Sacramento (via Phoenix): Skal Labissiere
29 - San Antonio: Dejounte Murray
30 - Golden State: Damian Jones

Notable players in bold. Also Malcom Brogdon at #36

What are your picks today knowing what we know in 2024?

Dragon **** Bender and Marquese Chriss!!!!! GODDAMNIT PHOENIX!!!!!

[cupcakesnake]

1. Siakam
2. Jaylen Brown
3. Sabonis
4. Ingram
5. Jamal Murray

I think the top 5 is pretty close and any of these guys could leapfrog each other depending on what team they end up on. I feel Siakam ended up being the most complete player and the guy with the most universal value. I didn't even have him on my big board when this draft happened.

6. FVV
7. Dejounte
8. Brogdon
9. Ben Simmons
10. Caruso
11. Poeltl
12. Zubac
13. Dorian Finney-Smith
14. Hield
15. Caris Levert
16. Taurean Prince

[brackdan70]

Yeah not really a bad draft all told.
Seems pretty average.

[brackdan70]

Many forget that this draft had the Egyptian Michael Jordan who had a 5 year NBA career waiving towels and chucking threes. He got some pretty good run.

[Capn'O]

2016 would be a great outcome for the 2024 draft. Especially since the hits will likely be scattered through the draft.

I would take Brown first in a redraft.

Suns had two lottery picks and ended with a once in a lifetime duo of Bender&Chriss

The suns' streak of bad high lottery picks has flown under the radar a bit:

In recent years, Len #5, Bender #4, Chriss #8, Josh Jackson #4, Ayton #1

They haven't nailed a single one of their top 8 picks since Walter Davis in 1977.

All of the Suns' good picks over the years have been late loto: e.g. Booker #13, Nash #15, Stoudamire #9, Marion #9, Bridges #9.

How do you account for KJ at 7

[Capn'O]

Some of you should go to bbref and sort some drafts by win shares. You'll be surprised how fast the talent level drops off most years. Even in so called great drafts. 2016 was solid. Just lacks a true headliner.

[TheGeneral99]

My top 10 in retrospect would be:

1) Sabonis
2) Brown
3) Siakam
4) Ingram
5) Murray
6) Dejounte
7) Vanvleet
8) Poeltl
9) Brogdon
10) Simmons

[Grahf]

This thread reminds me of another name I haven't heard in ages: Kris Dunn. There was tons and tons of predraft hype on him, causing him to soar up mock draft boards. I remember one analyst calling him "Rajon Rondo with a jump shot."

[GeorgeSears]

If you were drafting a "Robin" this was the perfect draft. There's not a single standout star from this draft, just a lot of no.2s and 3s. I'm happy with what the Nuggets ended up with.

[ontnut]

1 - Philadelphia: Pascal Siakim
2 - L.A. Lakers: Brandon Ingram
3 - Boston: Jaylen Brown
4 - Phoenix: Domanstas Sabonis
5 - Minnesota: DeJounte Murray - what a pairing for KAT (imagine the defense if the lineup was Murray/Ant/KAT/Gobert)
6 - New Orleans: Jamal Murray
7 - Denver: Fred Van Vleet
8 - Phoenix (via Sacramento): Buddy Hield
9 - Toronto: Jacob Poeltl
10 - Milwaukee: Ivaca Zubac
11 - Oklahoma City (via Orlando): Alex Caruso
12 - Atlanta: Malcolm Brogdan
13 - Sacramento (via Phoenix): Malik Beasley
14 - Chicago: Caris LeVert
15 - Denver: Taurean Prince
16 - Boston: Dorian Finney-Smith
17 - Memphis: Gary Payton II
18 - Detroit: Derick Jones Jr.
19 - Denver: Ben Simmons (would be much higher if not for the injuries)
20 - Brooklyn: Georges Niang

Pheonix likely becomes way better building with Sabonis, Hield and Booker (what a wing combo) but may never reach the same status they did with the Paul, Booker, Ayton run

The Raptors having the 1st, 7th and 9th best players in this draft on the same team in 22-23, and still losing in the play-in is some kinda rough. But damn, what a homerun of a draft for Masai this year. He also turned Bargnani into Poeltl, which was parlayed into Kawhi.

[Mr Puddles]

2016 would be a great outcome for the 2024 draft. Especially since the hits will likely be scattered through the draft.

I would take Brown first in a redraft.

Suns had two lottery picks and ended with a once in a lifetime duo of Bender&Chriss

The suns' streak of bad high lottery picks has flown under the radar a bit:

In recent years, Len #5, Bender #4, Chriss #8, Josh Jackson #4, Ayton #1

They haven't nailed a single one of their top 8 picks since Walter Davis in 1977.

All of the Suns' good picks over the years have been late loto: e.g. Booker #13, Nash #15, Stoudamire #9, Marion #9, Bridges #9.

How do you account for KJ at 7

KJ was drafted by Cleveland, played for the Cavs a bunch of games, and wasn't traded to the Suns until midway through the season. I don't think he should count as a Suns draftee.

[ForeverTFC]

Masai walked out of this draft with Siakam, Poeltl, and FVV (UFA). The good ol’ days.

[Capn'O]

2016 would be a great outcome for the 2024 draft. Especially since the hits will likely be scattered through the draft.

I would take Brown first in a redraft.

The suns' streak of bad high lottery picks has flown under the radar a bit:

In recent years, Len #5, Bender #4, Chriss #8, Josh Jackson #4, Ayton #1

They haven't nailed a single one of their top 8 picks since Walter Davis in 1977.

All of the Suns' good picks over the years have been late loto: e.g. Booker #13, Nash #15, Stoudamire #9, Marion #9, Bridges #9.

How do you account for KJ at 7

KJ was drafted by Cleveland, played for the Cavs a bunch of games, and wasn't traded to the Suns until midway through the season. I don't think he should count as a Suns draftee.

Oh ****. I never realised that. That was a great trade for both teams.