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Dadouv47 wrote:I just don't know if Kizz is a Thunder fan or if he loves to hate the Thunder. I really wonder if he's gonna celebrate the day OKC wins a title because he won't be able to justify his Presti hate anymore.
Big nick wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:I just don't know if Kizz is a Thunder fan or if he loves to hate the Thunder. I really wonder if he's gonna celebrate the day OKC wins a title because he won't be able to justify his Presti hate anymore.
This, he's just hates Sam so much even though he was runner up for the executive award.
Kizz Fastfists wrote:slick_watts wrote:kevin durant was a better player, so he often was better, but not always. the failure of these thunder teams wasn't the performance of westbrook or durant but their poor selection of role players and roster degradation over time.
So it was Presti's incompetence that destroyed the potential OKC had. I'll agree you there.
Dadouv47 wrote:Looks clear to me that current Presti is doing his best job as a GM since he started his career: got a ton of value in some trades; drafted good/great players (some busts) and finally hired an elite coaching staff.I wish we'd had a coach half as competent as Daigneault with KD/WB. Time will tell if he will succeed with the next moves to make.
Kizz Fastfists wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:Looks clear to me that current Presti is doing his best job as a GM since he started his career: got a ton of value in some trades; drafted good/great players (some busts) and finally hired an elite coaching staff.I wish we'd had a coach half as competent as Daigneault with KD/WB. Time will tell if he will succeed with the next moves to make.
He made some great trades early the first time around. Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, etc. The Jeff Green pick is still as much a headscratcher now as it was then. Noah was right there for the taking, along with a few others that would have been much better fits next to KD. Presti attempted to build a position less team as the excuse. Presti abandoned that thinking by adding Perkins, Adams and Kanter instead of embracing it by playing Ibaka as the starting center and adding more shooting as the role players. We'll see what he does this time around, but I'm waiting for him to start the dismantling in two years.
Remember, the best team OKC had during that era was the year he traded Harden. Then he let KMart leave and it all fell apart from there. Hopefully, Dort will continue to grow as a 3pt shooter and not turn into Thabo 2.0 who only had two good shooting seasons in a career of terrible shooting. If Dort regresses to his previous level with this season as a fluke then OKC will struggle going forward unless Presti can find a quality 3&D SG and while Cason has potential the team will still be in need of someone else to fill that role.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:No I’m myopic and shortsighted and I want my pile of draft picks.
Devilanche wrote:Thought I time travel to the past .
Western Conf semis finals can’t start fast enough.
Dadouv47 wrote:I really wonder how Shai will look in the next round because I still think he's a bit hurt. OKC likes to keep these things quiet while Dallas is making a lot of noise because of Doncic's injury.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:No I’m myopic and shortsighted and I want my pile of draft picks.
Dadouv47 wrote:Already assuming we are facing Dallas even if it's not over but this is the kind of series we needed to give Chet some help. Two of Gafford/Lively/PJ washington on the floor is gonna be a tough task for Chet and I don't know how we will handle when he's on the bench. Jwill is way too slow against those mavs bigs. Gonna need future superstar JDub to step up.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:No I’m myopic and shortsighted and I want my pile of draft picks.
Devilanche wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:I really wonder how Shai will look in the next round because I still think he's a bit hurt. OKC likes to keep these things quiet while Dallas is making a lot of noise because of Doncic's injury.
A fair bit of time for him rest up until next round though.
Devilanche wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:Already assuming we are facing Dallas even if it's not over but this is the kind of series we needed to give Chet some help. Two of Gafford/Lively/PJ washington on the floor is gonna be a tough task for Chet and I don't know how we will handle when he's on the bench. Jwill is way too slow against those mavs bigs. Gonna need future superstar JDub to step up.
One way or another we will find out. But kind of prefer meeting Dallas.
Dadouv47 wrote:Yeah Presti failed in almost every trade in our previous era: Dion Waiters, Kanter, Kyle Singler. He also messed up by trying to develop some rookies instead of trading those picks for vets: Perry Jones, Lamb, Mitch McGary etc. He also messed up with our coaching staff.
On a more positive side, it looks like he has evolved in his approach to basketball and understand how to win in modern NBA. He stopped drafting athletic guys that can't shoot and is focusing on versatile players that can pass, dribble and shoot. The Giddey pick was kind of the exception.
Looks clear to me that current Presti is doing his best job as a GM since he started his career: got a ton of value in some trades; drafted good/great players (some busts) and finally hired an elite coaching staff.I wish we'd had a coach half as competent as Daigneault with KD/WB. Time will tell if he will succeed with the next moves to make.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Dadouv47 wrote:Yeah Presti failed in almost every trade in our previous era: Dion Waiters, Kanter, Kyle Singler. He also messed up by trying to develop some rookies instead of trading those picks for vets: Perry Jones, Lamb, Mitch McGary etc. He also messed up with our coaching staff.
On a more positive side, it looks like he has evolved in his approach to basketball and understand how to win in modern NBA. He stopped drafting athletic guys that can't shoot and is focusing on versatile players that can pass, dribble and shoot. The Giddey pick was kind of the exception.
Looks clear to me that current Presti is doing his best job as a GM since he started his career: got a ton of value in some trades; drafted good/great players (some busts) and finally hired an elite coaching staff.I wish we'd had a coach half as competent as Daigneault with KD/WB. Time will tell if he will succeed with the next moves to make.
bbms wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:Yeah Presti failed in almost every trade in our previous era: Dion Waiters, Kanter, Kyle Singler. He also messed up by trying to develop some rookies instead of trading those picks for vets: Perry Jones, Lamb, Mitch McGary etc. He also messed up with our coaching staff.
On a more positive side, it looks like he has evolved in his approach to basketball and understand how to win in modern NBA. He stopped drafting athletic guys that can't shoot and is focusing on versatile players that can pass, dribble and shoot. The Giddey pick was kind of the exception.
Looks clear to me that current Presti is doing his best job as a GM since he started his career: got a ton of value in some trades; drafted good/great players (some busts) and finally hired an elite coaching staff.I wish we'd had a coach half as competent as Daigneault with KD/WB. Time will tell if he will succeed with the next moves to make.
i agree, but i think the crux of the issue is that after 2013 the FO seemed a bit desperate to please players. kept scott brooks because the players liked him, even though brooks got out coached every playoffs series he was in and clearly couldn't get more out of our players anymore. made trades with high flop potential to please the players and not lose durant/wb in the FA...
even the trades for george/anthony had a lot to it, trying to surround russ with good players after his mvp season. they made a bit more sense than those for dion/kanter, and had a lot more success (specially before the andre roberson injury), but still they had a resonating logic behind those moves that i don't like.
i seriously hope he has made internal self-criticism of those moves. players are divas, if you try to make those kinds of moves to please players, they'll always want more and all becomes very crisis-prone. a sports manager always put the club's health above the players and just go on. lebron fans are lebron fans, heat and cavaliers could never retain them.
what i think it's ironic is that some of presti's criticism are around his lack of movement to maximize a player-based short window, which is really funny to me.
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