Vince Carter elected to Hall of Fame // New Logo ? Pg. 5

[will]

The Carter effect generation was Corey Joseph and TT, not the current young guns

Um no.... have you not listened to say Jamal or Dillon? Shai loved him some Bosh and Ford, but without Vince, the Raptors could have been the Grizzlies... then what? That's not hyperbole... I remember that time very well... the Raptors were a broken organisation.

The growth of development programs across the country can be traced back to the Vince Carter era when the sport really exploded in Canada. Growth has to start somewhere, and Vince was the seedling... now we have a healthy and growing tree. Without Vince? As much as I loved Shareef... he didn't move the needle.

Shai may have grew up with the Bosh Raptors but his basketball journey is wholly a Steve Nash influence. He literally calls himself the Black Steve Nash.

Complete with the Steve Nash finger licking (pause) + numerous hair swipes.

Only if SGA went with the prime DJ Quik hairstyle.

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[binjumper]

Um no.... have you not listened to say Jamal or Dillon? Shai loved him some Bosh and Ford, but without Vince, the Raptors could have been the Grizzlies... then what? That's not hyperbole... I remember that time very well... the Raptors were a broken organisation.

The growth of development programs across the country can be traced back to the Vince Carter era when the sport really exploded in Canada. Growth has to start somewhere, and Vince was the seedling... now we have a healthy and growing tree. Without Vince? As much as I loved Shareef... he didn't move the needle.

It's absolutely hyperbole. Carter had a real positive effect on the growth of basketball for sure. The idea that we'd be the Grizzlies is ridiculous because it fundamentally does not register the fact that Vancouver and Toronto are two entirely different markets.

At that time the population of the metro Toronto area was significantly more than twice as high as Vancouver and that makes a difference. Toronto is a major city now, but it was a large North American market back then as well.

The media market, the potential fan base, the number of people available to buy tickets, you can't just ignore that stuff.

It's always ridiculous to say we would have been the Grizzlies because Vancouver was just a significantly smaller market.

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

[Corson27]

It's a Raptors Hall of Fame party!

[Corson27]

Um no.... have you not listened to say Jamal or Dillon? Shai loved him some Bosh and Ford, but without Vince, the Raptors could have been the Grizzlies... then what? That's not hyperbole... I remember that time very well... the Raptors were a broken organisation.

The growth of development programs across the country can be traced back to the Vince Carter era when the sport really exploded in Canada. Growth has to start somewhere, and Vince was the seedling... now we have a healthy and growing tree. Without Vince? As much as I loved Shareef... he didn't move the needle.

It's absolutely hyperbole. Carter had a real positive effect on the growth of basketball for sure. The idea that we'd be the Grizzlies is ridiculous because it fundamentally does not register the fact that Vancouver and Toronto are two entirely different markets.

At that time the population of the metro Toronto area was significantly more than twice as high as Vancouver and that makes a difference. Toronto is a major city now, but it was a large North American market back then as well.

The media market, the potential fan base, the number of people available to buy tickets, you can't just ignore that stuff.

It's always ridiculous to say we would have been the Grizzlies because Vancouver was just a significantly smaller market.

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

And the flip side argument is there is a reason the NFL (the highest revenue sport in North America) does not have a team in Toronto lol.

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**** man. Would of been the most exciting duo in history. Must see tv.

Probably wouldn't of won anything because they're both losers. But maybe it turns out differently if they stayed together.

What could of been.

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It's absolutely hyperbole. Carter had a real positive effect on the growth of basketball for sure. The idea that we'd be the Grizzlies is ridiculous because it fundamentally does not register the fact that Vancouver and Toronto are two entirely different markets.

At that time the population of the metro Toronto area was significantly more than twice as high as Vancouver and that makes a difference. Toronto is a major city now, but it was a large North American market back then as well.

The media market, the potential fan base, the number of people available to buy tickets, you can't just ignore that stuff.

It's always ridiculous to say we would have been the Grizzlies because Vancouver was just a significantly smaller market.

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

And the flip side argument is there is a reason the NFL (the highest revenue sport in North America) does not have a team in Toronto lol.

Politics really with the CFL.

I am pretty sure one day the NFL will be in Toronto - probably when the next expansion takes place. What that means for the CFL I have no clue but I don't see why the CFL and NFL cannot coexist as the seasons are vastly different

[Corson27]

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

And the flip side argument is there is a reason the NFL (the highest revenue sport in North America) does not have a team in Toronto lol.

Politics really with the CFL.

I am pretty sure one day the NFL will be in Toronto - probably when the next expansion takes place. What that means for the CFL I have no clue but I don't see why the CFL and NFL cannot coexist as the seasons are vastly different

The CFL is such a Mickey Mouse entity, it can and will be paid if the NFL were to ever move here. The Bills are a much bigger threat to market share vulturing than the friggin Argonauts lol. There's just no appetite from the number 1 sports league to expand here yet.

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And the flip side argument is there is a reason the NFL (the highest revenue sport in North America) does not have a team in Toronto lol.

Politics really with the CFL.

I am pretty sure one day the NFL will be in Toronto - probably when the next expansion takes place. What that means for the CFL I have no clue but I don't see why the CFL and NFL cannot coexist as the seasons are vastly different

The CFL is such a Mickey Mouse entity, it can and will be paid if the NFL were to ever move here. The Bills are a much bigger threat to market share vulturing than the friggin Argonauts lol. There's just no appetite from the number 1 sports league to expand here yet.

The NFL has very strict ownership rules. If you think they don’t want in on a potential 40 million person market then you’re crazy.

[Corson27]

I want a team in Toronto as much as anyone but it is not a priority for the NFL; nor have they ever recently shown they actively care about expanding to the Toronto market. The Bills Skydome series 20 years ago or whatever was a complete failure and the League. Times have changed, of course, but there's nobody banging the drum down South about having an NFL team here lol.

[wegotthabeet]

I want a team in Toronto as much as anyone but it is not a priority for the NFL; nor have they ever recently shown they actively care about expanding to the Toronto market. The Bills Skydome series 20 years ago or whatever was a complete failure and the League. Times have changed, of course, but there's nobody banging the drum down South about having an NFL team here lol.

All it takes is one guy.

If there was a billionaire interested in building a stadium and bringing a team here they’d be at the top of the list. No way to grow the nfl beyond international expansion or hosting games internationally now that LA and Vegas have teams.

[rapsfanz420]

With how bad of a failure the Bills in Toronto was, NFL isn’t coming back to Toronto, until they have an acceptable NFL stadium.

[Corson27]

If we thought American free agents didn’t want to come to Toronto (or stay in Toronto) before with the Raptors, it’d be even more magnified with the NFL lol. Especially since the extreme majority of the players are American because football isn’t as global as basketball. MLB has no salary cap so at least they can just throw absurd amounts of money at players; which as we’re seeing with the Jays, doesn’t always work.

[DreamTeam09]

If we thought American free agents didn’t want to come to Toronto (or stay in Toronto) before with the Raptors, it’d be even more magnified with the NFL lol. Especially since the extreme majority of the players are American because football isn’t as global as basketball. MLB has no salary cap so at least they can just throw absurd amounts of money at players; which as we’re seeing with the Jays, doesn’t always work.

NFL players don't usually scoff at a Job, especially without guaranteed contracts. They go wherever they're paid. Plus it takes forever to hit free agency

[6ixpessant]

Um no.... have you not listened to say Jamal or Dillon? Shai loved him some Bosh and Ford, but without Vince, the Raptors could have been the Grizzlies... then what? That's not hyperbole... I remember that time very well... the Raptors were a broken organisation.

The growth of development programs across the country can be traced back to the Vince Carter era when the sport really exploded in Canada. Growth has to start somewhere, and Vince was the seedling... now we have a healthy and growing tree. Without Vince? As much as I loved Shareef... he didn't move the needle.

It's absolutely hyperbole. Carter had a real positive effect on the growth of basketball for sure. The idea that we'd be the Grizzlies is ridiculous because it fundamentally does not register the fact that Vancouver and Toronto are two entirely different markets.

At that time the population of the metro Toronto area was significantly more than twice as high as Vancouver and that makes a difference. Toronto is a major city now, but it was a large North American market back then as well.

The media market, the potential fan base, the number of people available to buy tickets, you can't just ignore that stuff.

It's always ridiculous to say we would have been the Grizzlies because Vancouver was just a significantly smaller market.

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

Sorry my man, but revisionist history vibes.

Back then, you didn't get the same depth of information to the media and what not. There were massive ownership issues, and there were parties outside of Toronto sniffing around. There were also some concerns from within the NBA offices.

One can't quantify certain things that come from family that may be closer to situations that most people.

Anyway... whatever. Not a problem now. I just wish the devaluing of Vince Carter's impact would stop... it's just a cir*** j*** of a certain demographic.

[Corson27]

If we thought American free agents didn’t want to come to Toronto (or stay in Toronto) before with the Raptors, it’d be even more magnified with the NFL lol. Especially since the extreme majority of the players are American because football isn’t as global as basketball. MLB has no salary cap so at least they can just throw absurd amounts of money at players; which as we’re seeing with the Jays, doesn’t always work.

NFL players don't usually scoff at a Job, especially without guaranteed contracts. They go wherever they're paid. Plus it takes forever to hit free agency

In every sport, yes scrubs and lesser players will always go where they are paid. Anyways this is a moot point lol. The NFL has no interest in expanding to Toronto.

[Corson27]

It's absolutely hyperbole. Carter had a real positive effect on the growth of basketball for sure. The idea that we'd be the Grizzlies is ridiculous because it fundamentally does not register the fact that Vancouver and Toronto are two entirely different markets.

At that time the population of the metro Toronto area was significantly more than twice as high as Vancouver and that makes a difference. Toronto is a major city now, but it was a large North American market back then as well.

The media market, the potential fan base, the number of people available to buy tickets, you can't just ignore that stuff.

It's always ridiculous to say we would have been the Grizzlies because Vancouver was just a significantly smaller market.

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

Sorry my man, but revisionist history vibes.

Back then, you didn't get the same depth of information to the media and what not. There were massive ownership issues, and there were parties outside of Toronto sniffing around. There were also some concerns from within the NBA offices.

One can't quantify certain things that come from family that may be closer to situations that most people.

Anyway... whatever. Not a problem now. I just wish the devaluing of Vince Carter's impact would stop... it's just a cir*** j*** of a certain demographic.

Yep, same circlejerk of people is the most correct description of people undervaluing VC's impact on basketball here lol

[Corson27]

On Friday, the native of Kitchener, Ont. did his best imitation of the soon-to-be Hall of Famer.

Booed loudly by Minnesota Timberwolves fans in Game 3 after he threw a heat pad on the court in frustration in a Game 2 loss, the Denver Nuggets star embraced the hate and delivered an outstanding performance.

“Vince was my favourite player growing up,” Murray said after scoring 24 points in a 117-90 win, cutting Minnesota’s lead to 2-1 in the Western Conference semifinal.

“Every time he touched the ball, he got booed. I think he had a really good game playing against Toronto.”

Indeed, Carter scored 39 points that night to lead the Nets to a victory in front of a truly hostile crowd. Months earlier, the Raptors traded Carter, who had become frustrated with the organization, in a deal that turned out to be tremendously one-sided in favour of the Nets.

[binjumper]

Totally agree anyone who thinks raptors would have become the grizz know nothing about what happened back then. Toronto was going to succeed regardless. There is a reason Toronto has a team in every major sport except NFL.

Sorry my man, but revisionist history vibes.

Back then, you didn't get the same depth of information to the media and what not. There were massive ownership issues, and there were parties outside of Toronto sniffing around. There were also some concerns from within the NBA offices.

One can't quantify certain things that come from family that may be closer to situations that most people.

Anyway... whatever. Not a problem now. I just wish the devaluing of Vince Carter's impact would stop... it's just a cir*** j*** of a certain demographic.

Yep, same circlejerk of people is the most correct description of people undervaluing VC's impact on basketball here lol

I didn't devalue his impact, but if you think he is the sole reason we have a franchise is just dunce talk.