youngcrev wrote:sixers hoops wrote:I think he will be a great addition for a third option, but I hate offering 4 years, $212 million for it. It seems akin to buying a first class suite on the titanic.
Of most of the realistic options, I might rather part with picks to go another direction.
Mikal would very likely cost four firsts, as Brooklyn easy shot down less from Houston. However, he would come with two years at $23 and $25 million.
Lauri would almost certainly cost five firsts, and he comes at one year, $18 million.
Ingram comes at one year, $36 million. I assume a couple of picks to get him. I really haven’t heard much regarding his price.
Jimmy Butler would require picks and we would have to agree to extend his contract into a 3 year, $161.7 million deal. Even without giving up assets in a trade, he is 35 and often injured, so I can’t be in on Butler.
Siakim and OG had teams invest in trading for them. I’m sure they will get the most lucrative offers from those teams and won’t be available to us.
Ultimately, Fultz, Simmons, and Tobias drained this team of so many resources, and our returns on first round picks like Melton, Thybulle, and Springer leave us short on in-house talent. With Harden, we broke even on picks and we’re able to dump Simmons. Ultimately, this team has put itself in a position where they will likely have to overpay to put a team around Embiid and Maxey.
Do you overpay on the contract? Or make a bad trade to get a guy in a good deal and utilize cap space to build?
If we went with Mikal or Lauri, we are giving 4 or 5 firsts to essentially buy $40 million in cap space to build around them. With George or Ingram, you are using most of your cap space, but still have your picks. I would need to see what the cap space actually turns into. Oubre, Hield, Batum, and Lowry I would like to keep around, but would there be a more significant starter added to the mix?
George on a two year deal would be much better to reduce risk, but prob not realistic.
I'm all for getting a stud third guy that's in their prime like Bridges or Lauri, even if the price is high. I just don't know that we have the assets that either of those teams would want in return, particularly when the market for both would be so wide. What are the odds we'd be the high bidder with just picks to put on the table?
I think Ingram goes for more than what you're thinking too, and that likely would need to come via 3 way since we don't have what they'd want directly. I also think Ingram is a worse option than George all things considered, but still a decent level outcome.
Jimmy feels more like posturing to get his money, but it's interesting that his name is out there. Clearly he's a major difference maker come playoff time, though you'd have to have similar concerns in terms of age/injury/contract length.
Regardless, I completely get people that would prefer other possible options than George, and understand the concerns about him... I just don't get the completely being against it. Of the possible, realistic outcomes of this summer, signing George is certainly among some of the best case scenarios. You'd still have some room to add/resign 2 or 3 other guys, as well as all your picks for future flexibility.
All these moves come with risk. I'm not sure how to weigh the risk of George ending up having an albatross deal down the line vs leveraging every future asset you have available to add a guy thats likely to continue to produce at a high level.
I feel like George is clearly on the decline. And looking at similar comps, a lot of guys really fall off.
Paul Pierce was an all-star at 34. Ages 36 and 37 he averaged 13.5 and 12 points.
Dwayne Wade was an all-star at 34. Age 36 and 37 he averaged 11.5 and 15.
Durant looks good at 35. Lebron isn’t comparable to anybody.
Joe Johnson was averaging 12 points by age 34.
Dirk was still an all-star at 36 and played really well through his 37th year.
Kobe only played 6 games in age 35 season. He was averaging 22 and 17.5 his final seasons of 36 and 37.
Carmelo really started to tail-off at 32. Harden has really declined since 31 or so. McGrady is prob a bad comp due to significance of his injuries.
Most of these guys you wouldn’t want to pay massive contracts at age 35-37. Especially if you are only getting them for those seasons. We would be the Nets taking Pierce. The Bulls taking Wade.
The good organizations like Miami and Boston keep those guys for their primes, then let the bad organizations like the Nets and Bulls desperately overpay for their declining years, in hopes that they don’t decline.
The Celtics just signed Jrue through age 37, which I was surprised by, but they have a legitimate shot at a title so it is worth it.
Paul George has had a great career, but I don’t know if I want to be the fool who overpays him once he isn’t good enough for the good organizations to pay him. He wants to play in LA, but if those teams won’t give him a max contract, then he will reluctantly come here to get overpaid for his twilight years.
Is he still good enough today to make a significant impact for us next season? I definitely think so. He is still playing at a borderline all-star level. Just looking at how many NBA players age, my guess is we get one really good season out of him, then he plays an increasingly smaller role. His last two seasons are essentially bench quality where he doesn’t even finish games.
