OT: FIBA 2023

[DCasey91]

Why is the development systems so bad in the NBA vs the other big 3?

I get it now it all handed on a platter, sheer lack of competition, poor pathways etc, more money than brains.

Majors, NFL, NHL are grown men sport, NBA…. Not so. At least they take years and def get their licks.

Cream rises to the top. It happens in the NBA too (guys like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond, etc), but the development process in HS/AAU allows trash players to continue to walk through the door despite being trash. Emoni Bates comes to mind. Spent his entire career with the greenest of green lights. Still makes the NBA despite being a complete headcase with tons of baggage despite his inefficient chucking with no other quantifiable skills.

NHL and MLB doesn't have the microscope. NFL has it happen to an extent, but you need to play 3 years in college; so getting exposed will happen before the big pay day.

Wholeheartedly agree. The sad thing is it’s not even trash players that don’t deserve a glimpse of NBA stuff despite their high school/college rep.

Someone like Ingram who was def not ready for real ball gets a free 2 year apprenticeship at zero cost.

MLB is actually the hardest out of the 4. It takes yonks to make it hence why their star young prospects play double A and not triple because of the huge exp factor. And the two main disciplines have different times of maturation. Very similar to cricket, having a gun pitcher/bowler comes on a lot faster in progressing, whereas batting/hitting and can take a decade just to make it. Rookie ages are between 22-23 in the MLB so it is higher and they are if only very rarely thrown into the deep stuff unlike NBA.

[Jailblazers7]

And if Silver the snake gets his wish players will be able to be drafted right out of HS, which will further degrade the development system, and might actually be the best thing that ever happens to NCAA hoops, as program building might actually become the standard again, as it was before '1 and done'.

I would LOVE to see the NBA copy the MLB here when it comes to draft eligibility. You can get drafted straight out of HS, but if you decide to go to college then you have to stay until your junior year (or when you turn 21).

That way the true prodigies like Lebron, Kobe, etc can join the NBA immediately but everyone else needs to spend multiple years in college to develop as a player & person. NIL money now makes it more palatable too because players can still get paid without going pro.

[76ciology]

I believe the NBA faces challenges in FIBA tournaments due to player empowerment.

Teams often revolve around a single player, tailoring everything to their satisfaction, fearing they will leave if done otherwise. Players and their agents request teams to be built around them, focusing on their preferences. This approach, as we see with players like Embiid, involves surrounding them with floor spacers and running plays to maximize their individual performance, which may boost their stats and MVP chances. However, it rarely lead to championships or success in NBA nowadays or FIBA tournaments due to increased physicality and the absence of the defensive 3-second rule.

I've come to understand the significance of "team culture." It prioritizes the team over individual talent. Instead of solely empowering a single player (e.g., using floor spacers to set them up), we should empower everyone through ball movement, a read-and-react approach, and team cohesion, which often takes time to develop (some national teams require 3 years of togetherness).

This is why players like T-Mac or Harden, known for their heavy 1-on-1 and 2-on-2 play, struggled to win championships, while MJ and Kobe, who could be ball-dominant at times, succeeded because of the triangle offense. This system relies on intricate teamwork, read-and-react plays, and familiarity to run effectively. When you can make everyone a threat, your team is harder to stop.

[mjkvol]

I believe the NBA faces challenges in FIBA tournaments due to player empowerment.

Teams often revolve around a single player, tailoring everything to their satisfaction, fearing they will leave if done otherwise. Players and their agents request teams to be built around them, focusing on their preferences. This approach, as we see with players like Embiid, involves surrounding them with floor spacers and running plays to maximize their individual performance, which may boost their stats and MVP chances. However, it doesn't lead to championships or success in FIBA tournaments due to increased physicality and the absence of the defensive 3-second rule.

I've come to understand the significance of "team culture." It prioritizes the team over individual talent. Instead of solely empowering a single player (e.g., using floor spacers to set them up), we should empower everyone through ball movement, a read-and-react approach, and team cohesion, which often takes time to develop (some national teams require 3 years of togetherness).

This is why players like T-Mac or Harden, known for their heavy 1-on-1 and 2-on-2 play, struggled to win championships, while MJ and Kobe, who could be ball-dominant at times, succeeded because of the triangle offense. This system relies on intricate teamwork, read-and-react plays, and familiarity to run effectively. When you can make everyone a threat, your team is harder to stop.

Good luck with that in today's NBA. The Spurs and Warriors are the only two examples of that kind of selfless, team-first approach we have seen in the 21st century, and are likely to be the last, unless another coach like Pop or Kerr comes along and is blessed with players like Parker, Duncan, Curry, and Green.

[76ciology]

I believe the NBA faces challenges in FIBA tournaments due to player empowerment.

Teams often revolve around a single player, tailoring everything to their satisfaction, fearing they will leave if done otherwise. Players and their agents request teams to be built around them, focusing on their preferences. This approach, as we see with players like Embiid, involves surrounding them with floor spacers and running plays to maximize their individual performance, which may boost their stats and MVP chances. However, it doesn't lead to championships or success in FIBA tournaments due to increased physicality and the absence of the defensive 3-second rule.

I've come to understand the significance of "team culture." It prioritizes the team over individual talent. Instead of solely empowering a single player (e.g., using floor spacers to set them up), we should empower everyone through ball movement, a read-and-react approach, and team cohesion, which often takes time to develop (some national teams require 3 years of togetherness).

This is why players like T-Mac or Harden, known for their heavy 1-on-1 and 2-on-2 play, struggled to win championships, while MJ and Kobe, who could be ball-dominant at times, succeeded because of the triangle offense. This system relies on intricate teamwork, read-and-react plays, and familiarity to run effectively. When you can make everyone a threat, your team is harder to stop.

Good luck with that in today's NBA. The Spurs and Warriors are the only two examples of that kind of selfless, team-first approach we have seen in the 21st century, and are likely to be the last, unless another coach like Pop or Kerr comes along and is blessed with players like Parker, Duncan, Curry, and Green.

Thats how they can be a “dynasty”. You can add the Bulls with those two. They’re harder to scout than say a heavy pick and roll or ISO team.

And for noobs like us, we then try to keep upgrading talent thinking you’d be better but as you add newer talent it becomes way harder to keep up with them because of your lack of familiarity against their read and react system which gets better as they play more together.

One of the biggest reasons why these teams “choke” is because by game 7 or by the 2nd or 3rd round, the other team has figured them out while the other team just run like a machine organically finding your weak spot and keep hitting it.

[mjkvol]

I believe the NBA faces challenges in FIBA tournaments due to player empowerment.

Teams often revolve around a single player, tailoring everything to their satisfaction, fearing they will leave if done otherwise. Players and their agents request teams to be built around them, focusing on their preferences. This approach, as we see with players like Embiid, involves surrounding them with floor spacers and running plays to maximize their individual performance, which may boost their stats and MVP chances. However, it doesn't lead to championships or success in FIBA tournaments due to increased physicality and the absence of the defensive 3-second rule.

I've come to understand the significance of "team culture." It prioritizes the team over individual talent. Instead of solely empowering a single player (e.g., using floor spacers to set them up), we should empower everyone through ball movement, a read-and-react approach, and team cohesion, which often takes time to develop (some national teams require 3 years of togetherness).

This is why players like T-Mac or Harden, known for their heavy 1-on-1 and 2-on-2 play, struggled to win championships, while MJ and Kobe, who could be ball-dominant at times, succeeded because of the triangle offense. This system relies on intricate teamwork, read-and-react plays, and familiarity to run effectively. When you can make everyone a threat, your team is harder to stop.

Good luck with that in today's NBA. The Spurs and Warriors are the only two examples of that kind of selfless, team-first approach we have seen in the 21st century, and are likely to be the last, unless another coach like Pop or Kerr comes along and is blessed with players like Parker, Duncan, Curry, and Green.

Thats how they can be a “dynasty”. You can add the Bulls with those two. They’re harder to scout than say a heavy pick and roll or ISO team.

And for noobs like us, we then try to keep upgrading talent thinking you’d be better but as you add newer talent it becomes way harder to keep up with them because of your lack of familiarity against their read and react system which gets better as they play more together.

One of the biggest reasons why these teams “choke” is because by game 7 or by the 2nd or 3rd round, the other team has figured them out while the other team just run like a machine organically finding your weak spot and keep hitting it.

Oh, I get it. But it takes a very special coach and group of players totally buying into putting the team over themselves, not thinking about individual numbers but what's good for the success of the 'collective'. There's just too much money now, and constructing a group like that to stand the test of time like those Spurs and Warriors teams is as likely as hitting the lottery.

[Sixerscan]

The US faces challenges in FIBA because they don’t send anywhere close to their best players. There were 9 Americans that made all nba this year (10 if you count Embiid) not single one was on this team. That number doesn’t include Durant, Anthony Davis, Kawhi, PG, Morant and so on.

They haven’t lost at the Olympics in 20 years and once in like 35. Despite the teams barely playing together at all beforehand and half the guys probably partying the whole time. Imagine lecturing a program with that kind of dominance in any other context. And it’s not like this is some random event like dressage or something it’s one of the most popular sports in the world.