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In 3 years who will be the best pro?

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In 3 years who will be the best pro?

Thaddeus Young
20
49%
Lou Williams
5
12%
Andre Iguodala
16
39%
 
Total votes: 41

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Post#41 » by noone » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:12 am

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Good stuff. BUT. The Joe Johnson comparison is off. Joe Johnson had proven that he was a high caliber player, but he didn't prove that he could be the man and worth the amount of money he signed for. Iggy has proven that he is just a good player. John Salmons would be a better comparison to Iggy because unlike both of those guys Joe Johnson can play without the ball the ENTIRE game and score 40+ points.


Johnson put up 17/5/4 with Nash on a team conducive to inflating stats and now he's putting up 22/4/5 on a crappy team.

Andre put up 12/5/3 with Iverson on a mediocre team and now he's putting up 19/6/4.5 on a crappy team.

Their stats are nearly identical now and aside from scoring 5 more ppg playing on the Suns, playing with Nash as opposed to Iverson, and playing with 3 years experience as opposed to 2, they were pretty similar then. I am failing to see how you're putting Johnson at a higher pedestal than Andre to where Johnson is a #3 and Andre a #4.
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Post#42 » by Sixersftw » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:20 am

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Iggy's rebounding and passing ability are overrated. His rebounding is DEFINITELY overrated. He's 6'6" and doesn't even average 7 rebounds. I'd hardly call him any kind of rebounder worth mentioning.


there are only 2 players under 6'8 averaging 7+ rebounds....just saying
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Post#43 » by SendEm » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:41 am

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Johnson put up 17/5/4 with Nash on a team conducive to inflating stats and now he's putting up 22/4/5 on a crappy team.

Andre put up 12/5/3 with Iverson on a mediocre team and now he's putting up 19/6/4.5 on a crappy team.

Their stats are nearly identical now and aside from scoring 5 more ppg playing on the Suns, playing with Nash as opposed to Iverson, and playing with 3 years experience as opposed to 2, they were pretty similar then. I am failing to see how you're putting Johnson at a higher pedestal than Andre to where Johnson is a #3 and Andre a #4.


I'm not going to waste time with you. Figure out this Joe Johnson Phoenix Suns stat that made him an ELITE caliber talent: .478%
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Post#44 » by SendEm » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:09 am

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there are only 2 players under 6'8 averaging 7+ rebounds....just saying


Iguodala is ranked 59th into total rebounding in the league. He is averaging 5.7 rebounds a game at his SG/SF position. These are the players averaging more than 5.7 rebounds a game in the NBA who do not play PF or C.

Kidd 8.6 rebounds 37.4 minutes a game
LBJ 7.8 40.3
Melo 37.3 7.0
Butler 40.5 7.0
Mike Miller 38.1 6.9
Luol Deng 34.7 6.6
Jamario Moon 29.2 6.5
Gerald Wallace 39.7 6.2
Hedo Turkoglu 37.7 6.1
Corey Maggette 34.7 6.1
Danny Granger 34.2 6.0
Mike Dunleavy 34.1 5.9
Ron Artest 39.9 5.8
Kobe 36.7 5.8
Paul Pierce 38.6 5.8
Andrei Kirilenko 33.8 5.8
Marvin Williams 35.8 5.7
Rudy Gay 36.8 5.7
Iguodala 39.0 5.7

It's quite obvious that he is AT BEST not a noteworthy rebounder for his position. Only three players on that list actually play more minutes than Iggy. So it looks even worse when you look at it from the perspective of rebounds per minutes.
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Post#45 » by freshie2 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:13 pm

The thing to remember is team need and who is around him. The Sixers are a much better rebounding team than they have been in recent years...if he's @ 5.7 and someone else is @ 6.1, it's not that big of a deal.

He also plays more of a lead guard/2G than a true SF like most of the players you listed. If you want to get on him for not shooting enough and scoring enough, shooting a higher percentage, that makes sense, but his role on this team is not to be an 8 rebound per game player...Sam and Evans are covering that inside, and overall the team does a better job as well.

He has flaws, no doubt, but this one doesn't make a lot of sense given his role on the floor.
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Post#46 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:15 pm

I think Young will be our best pro in three years however I think Williams, Iguodala, and Young will be a sick trio and all three will average in the high teens. With Young getting some good burn I really do feel like we are headed in the right direction as a team. We seem to have made all the right moves thus far and that includes firing BK, trading Korver, and now trying to deal Miller.
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Post#47 » by tk76 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:30 pm

It wqs good to see Lou and Smith working the pick and roll last night. I wonder if we already have our starting five of the future with Lou, Dala, Young, Smith and Sam. I guess all three young guys would really have to improve for that squad to even make the playoffs, but they do compliment each other well (except that Smith would have to improve in the post.)

I would at least like to see that unit on the floor together 15+ minutes a game to see if they can gel- given they are probably 5 of the 8 players that will become our future core.
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Post#48 » by tk76 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:25 pm

Between the two boards (here and Philiphans) the tally is now:

Iguodala 30
Young 29
Williams 6
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Post#49 » by IggyTheBEaST » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:11 am

wow. Thad nippin at Iggys heals. I think I speak for the majority when I say, If Thad ends up better than Iggy, I will be a happy man
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Post#50 » by noone » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:08 pm

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I'm not going to waste time with you. Figure out this Joe Johnson Phoenix Suns stat that made him an ELITE caliber talent: .478%


Never happened. Try again.

I assume you're talking about the .471 Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks stat he put up in his SIXTH season in which he only played 57 games. Not saying much since not only was it on the second worst offensive ranked team in the league, but he hasn't come anywhere close to putting up that kind of performance in his career.

But since we're playing the guessing game anyways, figure out this Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks stat that just goes to show the previous season was likely nothing more than an anomaly: .414.
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Post#51 » by sixers_610 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:09 pm

if thad ends up being better than iggy, we're going to have a solid team in a few years.

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