"Official" I hate Otis thread

[leo6287]

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Which Magic player are we going to trade? JJ? Hedo? A S&T with our expired contracts?

How many options can be utilized with just the MLE?

There's alot of Option's for the 08 FA here take a look


Key: ETO = Early Termination Option; P = Player Option; T = Team Option; '07 QO's = BOLD


Atlanta Hawks
Restricted: Josh Childress, Josh Smith, Salim Stoudamire, Mario West
Unrestricted: None
Limited Salary Protection: None
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Boston Celtics
Restricted: Tony Allen
Unrestricted: Eddie House, Scot Pollard, James Posey (P)
Limited Salary Protection: Leon Powe
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Charlotte Bobcats
Restricted: Jermareo Davidson (T), Ryan Hollins, Emeka Okafor
Unrestricted: Derek Anderson, Earl Boykins, Othella Harrington (T), Jeff McInnis

Limited Salary Protection: None
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Chicago Bulls
Restricted: Luol Deng, Demetris Nichols, Ben Gordon
Unrestricted: Shannon Brown, Chris Duhon
Limited Salary Protection: JamesOn Curry
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Cleveland Cavaliers
Restricted: Daniel Gibson, Dwayne Jones, Delonte West
Unrestricted: Devin Brown
Limited Salary Protection: None

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Dallas Mavericks
Restricted: Jose Juan Barea
Unrestricted: Malik Allen, Devean George, Eddie Jones (P), Juwan Howard, Antoine Wright
Limited Salary Protection: Brandon Bass
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Denver Nuggets
Restricted: Yakhouba Diawara, J.R. Smith
Unrestricted: Anthony Carter, Allen Iverson (ETO), Eduardo Najera
Limited Salary Protection: Taurean Green
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Detroit Pistons
Restricted: Alex Acker, Walter Herrmann
Unrestricted: Juan Dixon, Jarvis Hayes, Lindsey Hunter, Flip Murray
Limited Salary Protection: None
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Golden State Warriors
Restricted: Kelenna Azubuike (P), Andris Biedrins, Monta Ellis, C.J. Watson
Unrestricted: Matt Barnes, Austin Croshere, Baron Davis (ETO), Patrick O'Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, Chris Webber
Limited Salary Protection: None

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Houston Rockets
Restricted: Carl Landry, Steve Novak (T)
Unrestricted: Steve Francis (P), Gerald Green, Dikembe Mutombo
Limited Salary Protection: Adam Haluska
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Indiana Pacers
Restricted: Stephen Graham (T), David Harrison, Andre Owens
Unrestricted: Jermaine O'Neal (ETO), Kareem Rush
Limited Salary Protection: None
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Los Angeles Clippers
Restricted: Paul Davis, Shaun Livingston
Unrestricted: Elton Brand (ETO), Sam Cassell, Dan Dickau, Corey Maggette (ETO), Quinton Ross, Aaron Williams
Limited Salary Protection: Josh Powell
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Los Angeles Lakers
Restricted: DJ Mbenga, Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic
Unrestricted: Trevor Ariza (P), Chris Mihm (P)
Limited Salary Protection: Coby Karl
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Memphis Grizzlies
Restricted: Andre Brown, Juan Carlos Navarro, Marcus Vinicius
Unrestricted: Kwame Brown, Casey Jacobsen
Limited Salary Protection: Aaron McKie
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Miami Heat
Restricted: Chris Quinn, Dorell Wright
Unrestricted: Earl Barron, Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion (ETO), Alonzo Mourning, Smush Parker (P), Jason Williams

Limited Salary Protection: Joel Anthony, Alexander Johnson
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Milwaukee Bucks
Restricted: Ersan Ilyasova, David Noel, Awvee Storey (T)
Unrestricted: Royal Ivey, Michael Ruffin, Jake Voskuhl
Limited Salary Protection: Ramon Sessions
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Minnesota Timberwolves
Restricted: Ryan Gomes, Craig Smith, Chris Richard, Kirk Snyder, Sebastian Telfair
Unrestricted: Michael Doleac, Theo Ratliff
Limited Salary Protection: None


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New Jersey Nets
Restricted: Nenad Krstic
Unrestricted: Darrell Armstrong, DeSagana Diop, Jamaal Magloire, Bostjan Nachbar, Stromile Swift (P)

Limited Salary Protection: Keith Van Horn

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New Orleans Hornets
Restricted: None
Unrestricted: Ryan Bowen, Melvin Ely (P), Jannero Pargo (P), Bonzi Wells
Limited Salary Protection: None
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New York Knicks
Restricted: Randolph Morris
Unrestricted: Fred Jones, Stephon Marbury (ETO)
Limited Salary Protection: None
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Orlando Magic
Restricted: James Augustine
Unrestricted: Carlos Arroyo, Keith Bogans (P), Keyon Dooling, Maurice Evans, Adonal Foyle (P), Pat Garrity
Limited Salary Protection: Marcin Gortat
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Philadelphia 76ers



Restricted: Louis Amundson, Herbert Hill, Andre Iguodala, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Williams



Unrestricted: Calvin Booth (P), Kevin Ollie, Gordan Giricek



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Phoenix Suns



Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Grant Hill (P), Sean Marks, Eric Piatkowski, Brian Skinner



Limited Salary Protection: D.J. Strawberry


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Portland Trail Blazers



Restricted: Von Wafer



Unrestricted: James Jones (P), Raef LaFrentz (ETO)



Limited Salary Protection: None




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Sacramento Kings



Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Ron Artest (ETO), Kenny Thomas (ETO), Beno Udrih, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright



Limited Salary Protection: None




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San Antonio Spurs



Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Michael Finley, Robert Horry, Damon Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Jacque Vaughn (P)



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Seattle SuperSonics



Restricted: Mickael Gelabale, Robert Swift
Unrestricted: Francisco Elson, Ira Newble
Limited Salary Protection: Adrian Griffin
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Toronto Raptors
Restricted: Jose Calderon, Carlos Delfino
Unrestricted: Primoz Brezec, Darrick Martin, Rasho Nesterovic (P)
Limited Salary Protection: Jamario Moon
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Utah Jazz
Restricted: C.J. Miles, Paul Millsap (T)
Unrestricted: Jason Hart (P)
Limited Salary Protection: None

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Washington Wizards
Restricted: None
Unrestricted: Gilbert Arenas (ETO), Antawn Jamison, Roger Mason
Limited Salary Protection: None

[theTHIEF]

could have cleaned that up leo, jeez...

[mhectorgato]

Which Magic player are we going to trade? JJ? Hedo? A S&T with our expired contracts?

How many options can be utilized with just the MLE?

There's alot of Option's for the 08 FA here take a look

We essentially only have the MLE and LLE to go after these guys.

[leo6287]

could have cleaned that up leo, jeez...

Sorry

[Bensational]

alright, i'm reluctant to post this...for the sole purpose i feel that it may force the board to overload and further bash Otis...even though I'm cool with not taking this deal if the facts are correct...

supposedly Portland offered Przybilla/Blake for Garrity/Arroyo/Bogans or JJ and a 1st rounder...

wh.....WHAT!?!?

*head begins to swell to 3x normal size*

haha, just kidding. i can understand not wanting to trade a 1st away for that. especially if it's an immediate 1st.

[Bensational]

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Which Magic player are we going to trade? JJ? Hedo? A S&T with our expired contracts?

How many options can be utilized with just the MLE?

well, next season we'll have Bogans expiring 3mil. the season after we'll have Cook's expriing 3.5mil and Battie's expiring 6mil. we've got expirings coming out the wazooooooo! i like this team the way it is.

i agree with the guys that say there are options coming for this offseason. we've just made it tougher to get deals done, but the options are still there.

it's good to see Mhec and Spinedoc on the disenchanted side for once

[Cammo101]

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We essentially only have the MLE and LLE to go after these guys.

And a first round pick. And Fran possibly coming over. And Battie rreturning. I for one do not want a ton of turnaround this offseason. Draft a guy, sign a MLE, get Battie back and add them to this years team. No need to retool any more than that.

[mhectorgato]

And a first round pick.

High 20s, since we're going to win the SE

And Fran possibly coming over.

And Battie rreturning.

Yes he will help tremendously. But he's not a long term solution.

[spinedoc]

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I think there will be better options in the off season to fill these holes. So, IMO, the only reason to make a trade is if we feel it would make us a title contender.

Making us a title contender is a pretty high threshold Cammo. I agree with you about the fact that Battie is coming back next year and the prospect of Fran coming over is looking better, so I wasn't too bent out of shape that we couldn't get a pf complement for Dwight. But, the sg position has me totally baffled. I can't believe that Otis is happy with our rotation there. I'm not in doomsday mode though, just disappointed that we didn't take advantage of some fairly valuable assets.

[spinedoc]

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well, next season we'll have Bogans expiring 3mil. the season after we'll have Cook's expriing 3.5mil and Battie's expiring 6mil. we've got expirings coming out the wazooooooo! i like this team the way it is.

i agree with the guys that say there are options coming for this offseason. we've just made it tougher to get deals done, but the options are still there.

it's good to see Mhec and Spinedoc on the disenchanted side for once

Ha, the apocolypse is near.

[Cammo101]

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Making us a title contender is a pretty high threshold Cammo. I agree with you about the fact that Battie is coming back next year and the prospect of Fran coming over is looking better, so I wasn't too bent out of shape that we couldn't get a pf complement for Dwight. But, the sg position has me totally baffled. I can't believe that Otis is happy with our rotation there. I'm not in doomsday mode though, just disappointed that we didn't take advantage of some fairly valuable assets.

I would love to add a quality SG, but who was available? Really only Mike Miller, and to get him a team had to take back Brian Cardinal. That is a dealbreaker for every team in the league. So really, who is it we could have gotten? We have a better chance at adding a SG through the draft or MLE than we did through a trade yesterday.

[spinedoc]

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I would love to add a quality SG, but who was available? Really only Mike Miller, and to get him a team had to take back Brian Cardinal. That is a dealbreaker for every team in the league. So really, who is it we could have gotten? We have a better chance at adding a SG through the draft or MLE than we did through a trade yesterday.

Mike was an alright idea, not my favorite though. Not sure if we would have had to take back Cardinal to get him either. My first moves would have been to call about Maggette and Artest. Both of them have been rumored on and off about being available. Maggette seems like he'd welcome the move to come back, but Artest has been rumored to want to go back to N.Y, so I don't know. It will be a lot tougher getting them at the mle vs a trade. The mle will be around the 6M range. I'm hoping that Corey will consider it, but I wouldn't have taken the chance.

Carter was another one I liked. If we could have gotten Boone added to a deal, it would have been a nice fit. There would be no need for the mle then if we filled two holes like that. Then use our draft pick on a pg. Same goes for a deal involving Big Ben. Thabo would have been nice for taking Wallace's contract, not likely but I'd make the call. It seems better than taking back an equally ugly contract of Hughes. Pietrus was a decent option too. His defense and length would have been very nice paired with Evans. Even Bonzi Wells would have been a welcome addition. Those are just a few off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find some others that I like.

[Cammo101]

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Mike was an alright idea, not my favorite though. Not sure if we would have had to take back Cardinal to get him either. My first moves would have been to call about Maggette and Artest. Both of them have been rumored on and off about being available. Maggette seems like he'd welcome the move to come back, but Artest has been rumored to want to go back to N.Y, so I don't know. It will be a lot tougher getting them at the mle vs a trade. The mle will be around the 6M range. I'm hoping that Corey will consider it, but I wouldn't have taken the chance.

Carter was another one I liked. If we could have gotten Boone added to a deal, it would have been a nice fit. There would be no need for the mle then if we filled two holes like that. Then use our draft pick on a pg. Same goes for a deal involving Big Ben. Thabo would have been nice for taking Wallace's contract, not likely but I'd make the call. It seems better than taking back an equally ugly contract of Hughes. Pietrus was a decent option too. His defense and length would have been very nice paired with Evans. Even Bonzi Wells would have been a welcome addition. Those are just a few off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find some others that I like.

It has been said multiple places that Memphis was not willing to move Miller without Cardinal. I want no part of Carter or a 2 month Artest rental. Maggette would have been nice, but from everything I have read, trading him was never considered by the Clippers.

I don't think a lot of people understand how few true options were available to us at the deadline.

[spinedoc]

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It has been said multiple places that Memphis was not willing to move Miller without Cardinal. I want no part of Carter or a 2 month Artest rental. Maggette would have been nice, but from everything I have read, trading him was never considered by the Clippers.

I don't think a lot of people understand how few true options were available to us at the deadline.

You may be right, and we disagree about a couple of players, but our expiring contracts were not balled up in one player. I can understand not being able to move a piece like that to a team, but they were broken into smaller equally proportioned contracts. With JJ as bait, I think we had some decent flexibility to make a deal. Again, an upgrade at pf, sg, or pg would have been acceptable to me. Its over though, its starting to fade. I'm slowly going through the stages of acceptance.

[miamiballer]

on draft day would you trade battie and your 1st for haslem?

[Cammo101]

on draft day would you trade battie and your 1st for haslem?

I doubt it, but we would have at the deadline.