PG: Maxey travels for the win, Maxey doesn't miss.. tough tough loss.

[Context]

I think this is going 7.

why Wingo?
I need a full explanation

Spoiler:

i cant say a word

[ScienceOfLosing]

The Knicks are still in the drivers seat; it took a miracle and a prayer shot from Maxey to give the Sixers any hope. 99 times out of 100, that shot doesn't go in from that distance. Would have bee nice to win and get some rest for the next series, but it what it is. Onto game 6..

Sixers fan rightfully said we had a miracle game 1 (Hart the 3pt specialist) AND game 2 (MIRACLE ending.)
Sucks to be on the other side at Home.

Maxey single handedly killed us if were looking from that pov but i still dont call game two a miracle...that was a team effort-
it took brunson 3, brunson and harts defense, harts steal, i harts offensive rebound and pass, og's pass and divos 3...thats how many
plays? Maxey hit two 3's...

A few turned that game off at the end and came back to be shocked we won. Heard that in videos.
I was pissed at the end but hung around. I was shocked.
That level if luck is rare, as was yesterdays game.

[KnicksGod]

You trap Maxey as soon as he gets it. If Batum or whoever ties the game, you live with it. Stupid. So is not telling Mitch that he better not get near the arc for a 4 point play. Negligence.

[Context]

But.. this series would be over if we didn’t make like a dozen different mistakes… and refs or the nba had nothing to do with that collapse last night.

Refs ain't tell Mitchell to foul Maxey when he was shooting the 3 either. Tough break, either way.

it was in the script that they gave him at halftime.

jk

and he makes it so much easier for Maxey- Brunson doesnt have an Embiid...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

off the top of my head we held him to 25 points in one game...and hes not on Brunsons level- Brunson is 4th in the league...Maxey is 11th...Brunson doesnt have Embiid while Maxey does...We can stop both of them - you remember what happened when embiid clocked Brunson and he got pissed off...our issue is locking in all the time- thats the difference between being elite and good...
If I'm wrong the knicks will lose game six with the sixers scoring over 100pts...

Come on bro, you can't keep saying he's not on the same level as Brunson based on the regular season scoring, they're both averaging over 30ppg in this series. And look at what you're saying, holding him to 25 pts? That is how well he's playing that being contained still means you're a above 20pts. He's not the leader Brunson and he isn't the player he is yet, but in the playoffs right now against us he is on the same level as a scorer. We can argue about who has what and how easy that translates later on, right now he's matching our best players production.

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

[Fury]

Come on bro, you can't keep saying he's not on the same level as Brunson based on the regular season scoring, they're both averaging over 30ppg in this series. And look at what you're saying, holding him to 25 pts? That is how well he's playing that being contained still means you're a above 20pts. He's not the leader Brunson and he isn't the player he is yet, but in the playoffs right now against us he is on the same level as a scorer. We can argue about who has what and how easy that translates later on, right now he's matching our best players production.

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

[Context]

Come on bro, you can't keep saying he's not on the same level as Brunson based on the regular season scoring, they're both averaging over 30ppg in this series. And look at what you're saying, holding him to 25 pts? That is how well he's playing that being contained still means you're a above 20pts. He's not the leader Brunson and he isn't the player he is yet, but in the playoffs right now against us he is on the same level as a scorer. We can argue about who has what and how easy that translates later on, right now he's matching our best players production.

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

and i disagree with you. we guarded him when we held him to 25 pts thats my evidence to support my statement.

[robillionaire]

Oddly I don’t care that much. I hope we still win the series (and honestly still fairly confident we will close it out) and it would mean a lot to win a series in back to back seasons but I don’t honestly believe this team as currently constructed can go all the way. So eventually we will have to eat a painful series loss. Hopefully it’s in round two or three instead of this series but I’m mentally prepared for the season to end eventually. Now the team has to find a way to put this behind them and move on and fans need to find a way do the same.

This.

That's why I'm more interested in who they might acquire in the offseason than the playoffs.

I mean, the playoffs have been great, but they are playing way over their head with Randle out.

Even if Randle was in, not sure how far the team would have gone, because he's not the most interested defender.

Team took a nice step getting OG and making the playoffs etc, it's still at least one piece away from really being a contender.

True but it's a philosophical question on the point of sports at all, since 29 of 30 teams won't win and only like 3 of the 30, generously, have a shot.

Right, well let’s assume right now we are not in those 3 that have a shot. There’s still something to be said for advancing forward as a franchise, winning 50 games and a 2 seed, winning a playoff series, even if we don’t win it all, you want to feel like you’re trending in the right direction to win it at some point in the future even if it’s not this year. And I do think we are trending in the right direction as an organization and still have more upside to get to contender status. So ultimately I think we should be happy about the season. Especially if we win this series

Now if you’re in those 3 that have a shot obviously the mindset should be championship or bust. But I don’t think we should have that expectation about this team.

[Context]

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

[KnicksGod]

This.

That's why I'm more interested in who they might acquire in the offseason than the playoffs.

I mean, the playoffs have been great, but they are playing way over their head with Randle out.

Even if Randle was in, not sure how far the team would have gone, because he's not the most interested defender.

Team took a nice step getting OG and making the playoffs etc, it's still at least one piece away from really being a contender.

True but it's a philosophical question on the point of sports at all, since 29 of 30 teams won't win and only like 3 of the 30, generously, have a shot.

Right, well let’s assume right now we are not in those 3 that have a shot. There’s still something to be said for advancing forward as a franchise, winning 50 games and a 2 seed, winning a playoff series, even if we don’t win it all, you want to feel like you’re trending in the right direction to win it at some point in the future even if it’s not this year. And I do think we are trending in the right direction as an organization and still have more upside to get to contender status. So ultimately I think we should be happy about the season. Especially if we win this series

Now if you’re in those 3 that have a shot obviously the mindset should be championship or bust. But I don’t think we should have that expectation about this team.

Yeah I think you have it right. It’s entertaining and that’s what matters. It’s entertainment. And we have moved up the ladder. You’re right completely.

Besides Mitch, I still see signs that we’re not quite approaching things as we should. Despite the fun and good play, it’s sort of dumb how much Brunson is being asked to do.

Sure Embiid has been given a free ride on his dirty play and the Knicks are shooting themselves in the foot. That’s more Knicksy stuff but we are better.

Also, people should maybe feel better realizing that we probably got luckier in G2 than Philly in G5. Hartenstein found the one small pocket to get that pass off, and Donte hit a shot despite being an almost total no show so far (and missing the one before badly).

Mitch’s foul was lucky for them but also took skill from Maxey to dupe Mitch. Or how hard is it to dupe Mitch lol.

Instead of watching funny videos, maybe Thibs and Mitch should talk about the finer points of situational basketball

[KnicksGod]

Maxey is also a little turnover prone btw — so yeah you def trap him. Or at least you try hard and foul him in the process (not dirtily but you go for a trap and steal as if you’re behind).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

How exactly does any of this matter in how we contain Maxey? The original point he made was that we can shut down Maxey, which to this point has been proven completely false, we've slowed him down in 1 game and that still resulted in 23 points. How is it relevant how he's scoring if Embiid is always going to be on the court with him.

What is the game plan for stopping Maxey if we can't double him? If he's matching Brunsons production this series you don't win games based on trying to debate how easy 1 guy is doing it vs the other, save that for the who is better debate on the general board. Right now, we have no answers for Maxey, and his production has matched Brunson which was the issue with playing this team in the first place.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Does Brunson have an Embiid decoy bro?

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

and i disagree with you. we guarded him when we held him to 25 pts thats my evidence to support my statement.

Your evidence is a game they won? He's averaging 32/7/5 against us in 5 games, how do we stop him?


You're caught up with the whole who is better debate, I'm not having that, I'm telling you he's matching Brunsons production. That is a factual statement, nobody cares who has it easier, it didn't matter when Murray was cooking the Jazz and matching Mitchell, people weren't saying well he has Jokic, all that matters is production and who wins.

[Fury]

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

How exactly does any of this matter in how we contain Maxey? The original point he made was that we can shut down Maxey, which to this point has been proven completely false, we've slowed him down in 1 game and that still resulted in 23 points. How is it relevant how he's scoring if Embiid is always going to be on the court with him.

What is the game plan for stopping Maxey if we can't double him? If he's matching Brunsons production this series you don't win games based on trying to debate how easy 1 guy is doing it vs the other, save that for the who is better debate on the general board. Right now, we have no answers for Maxey, and his production has matched Brunson which was the issue with playing this team in the first place.

So two things are being conflated. No, I don't think Maxey is better than Brunson. Yes, Maxey has been tough to stop and been more efficient than Brunson. The reason for the second has to do with Embiid being on the court.

[robillionaire]

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

and i disagree with you. we guarded him when we held him to 25 pts thats my evidence to support my statement.

Your evidencw is a game they won? He's averaging 32/7/5 against us in 5 games, how do we stop him?

We just have to hope he has an off night because there’s nothing we can do.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

How exactly does any of this matter in how we contain Maxey? The original point he made was that we can shut down Maxey, which to this point has been proven completely false, we've slowed him down in 1 game and that still resulted in 23 points. How is it relevant how he's scoring if Embiid is always going to be on the court with him.

What is the game plan for stopping Maxey if we can't double him? If he's matching Brunsons production this series you don't win games based on trying to debate how easy 1 guy is doing it vs the other, save that for the who is better debate on the general board. Right now, we have no answers for Maxey, and his production has matched Brunson which was the issue with playing this team in the first place.

So two things are being conflated. No, I don't think Maxey is better than Brunson. Yes, Maxey has been tough to stop and been more efficient than Brunson. The reason for the second has to do with Embiid being on the court.

Here is what he said

Maxey (who will get there but hes not there YET;we are more than capable
of shutting him down) unguardable

He said we're capable of shutting Maxey down, that is what started the discussion. It doesn't matter how he's doing it in this series, he's matching Brunsons production, we are no more capable of stopping him than they are of stopping Brunson, which was the argument. It's completely irrelevant how it's done, all that matters is the production.

[Context]

This is completely irrelevant in the context of a series and production, all that matters is production. You're having a general board argument about who is better, this is simply that for us, Maxey is unguardable right now.

How is that irrelevant when they leave Maxey open to double Embiid? They can double Brunson and we can't double Maxey.

I won't deny that Maxey is having a great series, he's a beast. But the circumstances aren't the same.

How exactly does any of this matter in how we contain Maxey? The original point he made was that we can shut down Maxey, which to this point has been proven completely false, we've slowed him down in 1 game and that still resulted in 23 points. How is it relevant how he's scoring if Embiid is always going to be on the court with him.

What is the game plan for stopping Maxey if we can't double him? If he's matching Brunsons production this series you don't win games based on trying to debate how easy 1 guy is doing it vs the other, save that for the who is better debate on the general board. Right now, we have no answers for Maxey, and his production has matched Brunson which was the issue with playing this team in the first place.

youre a Knick fan and I got love for you and we need to stick together..Maybe there's jsut a miss comunication here...
I'm saying that -we held Maxey to 23 points and we can do it again. Do you disagree with that?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

and i disagree with you. we guarded him when we held him to 25 pts thats my evidence to support my statement.

Your evidencw is a game they won? He's averaging 32/7/5 against us in 5 games, how do we stop him?

We just have to hope he has an off night because there’s nothing we can do.

The lack of respect people have for the opponent is weird, especially someone that is playing hard and straight up, no dirty tactics from him. I understand hating Embiid, but Maxey has earned my respect.

[Garbagelo]

That was almost as painful as when we ended up losing the top pick during the RJ draft or when KD didn't sign with us

[robillionaire]

The best suggestion I have at this point is starting McBride and playing him on Maxey all 48 definitely never doubling off of him but let’s be honest Maxey will still get pretty much whatever he wants