OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[mpharris36]

kyle hamilton RAS btw, elite explosive numbers for his size

to be fair his height, weight, and verticle mad him with a high RAS score. the 40, shuttle times, ect were meh. But if you watched his tape dude would make plays out of nowhere because he just saw the game different.

Those are the instincts that I value more at the safety position.

[mpharris36]

Since when is running past a linebacker a broken tackle? Are you guys serious?
Look at someone like Wandale by comparison:

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Nabers is going to be a major disappointment. Waiting for the excuse he doesn't have a QB to throw to him.
I hope I'm wrong but the tape doesn't lie.

I'm not sure if you are joking or not...that how odd this take is.

[Ghetto Gospel]

kyle hamilton RAS btw, elite explosive numbers for his size

to be fair his height, weight, and verticle mad him with a high RAS score. the 40, shuttle times, ect were meh. But if you watched his tape dude would make plays out of nowhere because he just saw the game different.

Those are the instincts that I value more at the safety position.

yeah but height, length and vertical matter when you're in coverage.

kyle hamilton was also everywhere. he was in coverage, rushing the passer and stopping the run. his explosiveness made him great as a box safety and getting downhill quickly. tyler nubin doesn't even compare from an explosiveness standpoint

[Ghetto Gospel]

not mad at picking a CB, that was a need

[mpharris36]

kyle hamilton RAS btw, elite explosive numbers for his size

to be fair his height, weight, and verticle mad him with a high RAS score. the 40, shuttle times, ect were meh. But if you watched his tape dude would make plays out of nowhere because he just saw the game different.

Those are the instincts that I value more at the safety position.

yeah but height, length and vertical matter when you're in coverage.

kyle hamilton was also everywhere. he was in coverage, rushing the passer and stopping the run. his explosiveness made him great as a box safety and getting downhill quickly. tyler nubin doesn't even compare from an explosiveness standpoint

I agree with you. I wasn't comparing there athleticism. Just was simply talking about after the combine there were people a little off on hamilton and started ignoring his game tape because they were so focused on 40 time and shuttle time stuff.

Just saying...you don't finish colllege career with 13 INT's at the safety position if you aren't instinctual

[mpharris36]

not mad at picking a CB, that was a need

we needed a 2 starters in the secondary.

Banks and Pinnock at safety.

So hopefully these two picks on day 2 compete for the other 2 starting spots.

I guess this kid has crazy explosiveness.

[TerrenceClarke]

dude I never compared them at all. I even said I am not comparing them at all just so you wouldn't make that connection.

I said it simply to state sometimes people go crazy over 40 yard times and testing. And the one position I think you can get away with some lack of athleticism and make up for it with instincts is the safety position. That is all.

It’s not just 40 times tho. All around he avg at best as an athlete. he also kinda weak for his size strength wise.

I don't disagree I think he's an avg athlete (I'm not debating that). His test score would suggest that. I'm simply saying I value tape and instincts way more for the safety position. You can put the fastest guy back there and if he doesn't know coverages and diagnoses plays quickly he will be a liability. If we are talking running back, corner, edge, receiver I am more into there combine numbers...less with offensive line and safeties...I think I want to see how those guys play more.

Its why if you have slower corner a lot of times they transition to safety because you can get by without elite athleticism.

At the end of the day I would want him to succeed, I’m just not sold yet if he was the best pick for us. Yeah he was the best safety, but was he the best player? Only time will tell.

I just know that speed and athleticism trumps all on defense a lot. There are a few wideouts in the NFL that instincts won’t save you on. It’s pure talent that will save you. It’s agility that will save you etc.

I want the giants to have a fast defense that can get to ball. We kinda slow.

[Ghetto Gospel]

to be fair his height, weight, and verticle mad him with a high RAS score. the 40, shuttle times, ect were meh. But if you watched his tape dude would make plays out of nowhere because he just saw the game different.

Those are the instincts that I value more at the safety position.

yeah but height, length and vertical matter when you're in coverage.

kyle hamilton was also everywhere. he was in coverage, rushing the passer and stopping the run. his explosiveness made him great as a box safety and getting downhill quickly. tyler nubin doesn't even compare from an explosiveness standpoint

I agree with you. I wasn't comparing there athleticism. Just was simply talking about after the combine there were people a little off on hamilton and started ignoring his game tape because they were so focused on 40 time and shuttle time stuff.

Just saying...you don't finish colllege career with 13 INT's at the safety position if you aren't instinctual

yeah i get it. but what makes kyle hamilton great is his versatility in being a box safety. he's not running 40 yards on a lot of plays. he's taking advantage of his size, length and explosiveness rushing the passer, plugging the run, etc. he's also one of the rare safeties with the size and tools to guard 6'5 TE's

if kyle hamilton was asked to play mostly in coverage as a FS type i don't think he'd be a top 5 S in the league that said

[Ghetto Gospel]

not mad at picking a CB, that was a need

we needed a 2 starters in the secondary.

Banks and Pinnock at safety.

So hopefully these two picks on day 2 compete for the other 2 starting spots.

I guess this kid has crazy explosiveness.

yeah his vertical and broad jump are crazy, i'm with it cause it was a position of need.

he can battle it out with tre hawkins and cordale flott

[mpharris36]

It’s not just 40 times tho. All around he avg at best as an athlete. he also kinda weak for his size strength wise.

I don't disagree I think he's an avg athlete (I'm not debating that). His test score would suggest that. I'm simply saying I value tape and instincts way more for the safety position. You can put the fastest guy back there and if he doesn't know coverages and diagnoses plays quickly he will be a liability. If we are talking running back, corner, edge, receiver I am more into there combine numbers...less with offensive line and safeties...I think I want to see how those guys play more.

Its why if you have slower corner a lot of times they transition to safety because you can get by without elite athleticism.

At the end of the day I would want him to succeed, I’m just not sold yet if he was the best pick for us. Yeah he was the best safety, but was he the best player? Only time will tell.

I just know that speed and athleticism trumps all on defense a lot. There are a few wideouts in the NFL that instincts won’t save you on. It’s pure talent that will save you. It’s agility that will save you etc.

I want the giants to have a fast defense that can get to ball. We kinda slow.

I hear ya, and I'm not saying you won't be rooting for him. I just see 13 INT's...you don't get that by pure luck. He baits QB's and reads plays really well. Instinctual, leader, good tackler, versatile, all things I would want out of a safety.

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[mpharris36]

The Athletic's grades on our players:

New York Giants: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

Nabers is an electric playmaker and arguably this class’ most dangerous ball carrier in space. An incredibly smooth and explosive athlete with great ball skills, Nabers was an instant contributor in the SEC for LSU and made 161 catches (playing with Jayden Daniels) the last two seasons. There were some scouts who had Nabers ranked ahead of Harrison — he’s that good.

The Giants have questions about Daniel Jones, to be sure. But they still have so much work to do that bringing a first-round QB in to compete for the job wouldn’t have made much sense. Nabers is an awesome talent and will instantly make one of the slowest offenses faster. This is a sensible, efficient and potentially explosive draft pick.

Grade: A

Grading Tyler Nubin to Giants at No. 47

Maybe the most underrated player in the draft, Tyler Nubin was both a solid coverage safety and a tremendous tackler at Minnesota. He will step in immediately for Xavier McKinney and thrive. With 43 starts, Nubin was experienced and highly respected. He finished his career with a school-record 13 interceptions and 24 passes defended along with 207 tackles. Nubin is a day-one starter.

Grade: A


Why I love the Giants' Andru Phillips pick

One of the most versatile corners in the draft, Andru Phillips can play inside or outside — and even safety if need be. A very physical, hyper-competitive player who will find a way to get on the field immediately — Phillips boasts a 42-inch vertical leap and plays with terrific speed at the line of scrimmage and long-range. Also a very mature youngster from a high-achieving family, a high-character person. My favorite day two corner.

Grade: A

[Ghetto Gospel]

read a bunch of draft scouting reports on andru phillips.

looks like he has all the athletic tools to be successful in coverage. just needs polish on his footwork and better instincts which hopefully can come with playing time and age.

[DOT]

Andru Phillips is a great pick in the 3rd

He was someone I'd've considered for the Jags at 49.

[Ghetto Gospel]

not mad at picking a CB, that was a need

we needed a 2 starters in the secondary.

Banks and Pinnock at safety.

So hopefully these two picks on day 2 compete for the other 2 starting spots.

I guess this kid has crazy explosiveness.

look at his 10-yd split: 1.51 crazy, checks out with the explosiveness

[DOT]

Maason Smith is just peak Baalke-ing

Super athletic DL with great measurables, and he has a torn ACL?

That's such an obvious Baalke pick. I don't hate it hate it, but I would've preferred CB or iOL there.

[Strick]

Addressed areas of need. Loved the Nubin and Nabers picks. Phillips fills a need so I cannot complain at all. He also brings versatility and some athleticism. He does miss a lot of tackles and doesn’t have any picks but he has a lot of upside.

Christian Haynes and Beebe were two guards I would’ve loved but we will see.

Potentially 3 day 1 starters in days 1 and 2. Can’t get too upset at that

[mpharris36]

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im not crying, your crying....rooting for this kid

[Ghetto Gospel]

if both rookies pan out and tae banks takes a leap, this defense lowkey looks kinda nice. excited to see it

[Strick]

if both rookies pan out and tae banks takes a leap, this defense lowkey looks kinda nice. excited to see it

Tons of good pieces honestly

Burns and Thibs at edge with Azeez being a 3rd edge rusher.
Dex and Jordon Riley showed some promise on the interior along some other bodies there as well (wouldn’t be shocked if they add to the interior DL in the draft)
Okereke, McFadden, and Simmons at LB are really solid
Banks, Phillips, Flott, and others at CB (probably the weakest spot)
Pinnock, Nubin, and Belton at safety

Super young defense but a lot of upside. The front 7 has the makings of being very very good which should help a young secondary out

[KOA]

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