Tyrese Maxey VS Immanuel Quickley

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Maxey putting up good stats while the Sixers continue to slide. When IQ puts up #'s we usually win.

well in fairness to Maxey they have a lot of good players out, if we started IQ but then Randle and Rose were injured I doubt we'd win all that much regardless of the numbers IQ puts up

Ok thats fair... but its also fair to say that Maxey's #'s wouldn't be what they are if their best players were playing. So we're back to square one.

Not really, he's scoring efficiently with defenses more keyed in on stopping him, it would be one thing if he were scoring on low percentages. He's a better player, not sure why it's so hard for fans to accept that we don't have all of the best players in the world

The poll is peak homerism.

[robillionaire]

well in fairness to Maxey they have a lot of good players out, if we started IQ but then Randle and Rose were injured I doubt we'd win all that much regardless of the numbers IQ puts up

Ok thats fair... but its also fair to say that Maxey's #'s wouldn't be what they are if their best players were playing. So we're back to square one.

Not really, he's scoring efficiently with defenses more keyed in on stopping him, it would be one thing if he were scoring on low percentages. He's a better player, not sure why it's so hard for fans to accept that we don't have all of the best players in the world

The poll is peak homerism.

I wouldn't say that it's homerism, IQ made the all rookie team last year and Maxey didn't so I'd say he had a leg up after year 1, now this year IQ got off to a cold start and is just now starting to come back on while Maxey has been getting to start and put up numbers while philly has lost 5 in a row. IQ might be the better defender as well. I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems you've just got one guy playing 35.7 MPG and one guy playing 17 MPG

[BugginOut]

Quickley leads Maxey in basically every advance stat:

RAPTOR
NET RATING
RPM
Etc.

He’s also the averaging an absurd 1.38 PPP in isolation scoring which is the 4th highest mark in the entire league and he takes more isolation shots a game than Maxey even though he plays half the minutes. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=PPP&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He’s a better scorer, defender and equal as a playmaker. The more you look at the numbers the more it seems that Quickley should be starting for this team.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Ok thats fair... but its also fair to say that Maxey's #'s wouldn't be what they are if their best players were playing. So we're back to square one.

Not really, he's scoring efficiently with defenses more keyed in on stopping him, it would be one thing if he were scoring on low percentages. He's a better player, not sure why it's so hard for fans to accept that we don't have all of the best players in the world

The poll is peak homerism.

I wouldn't say that it's homerism, IQ made the all rookie team last year and Maxey didn't so I'd say he had a leg up after year 1, now this year IQ got off to a cold start and is just now starting to come back on while Maxey has been getting to start and put up numbers while philly has lost 5 in a row. IQ might be the better defender as well. I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems you've just got one guy playing 35.7 MPG and one guy playing 17 MPG

It's homerism if you can't objectively just watch 2 players and see that 1 can do things the other cant, the fact Maxey has a handle and can get to the rim and finish just gives him a huge advantage. That isn't even to say anything about one playing against starters while the other goes against 2nd units. It is pretty lopsided just judging them on ability, like if you swapped IQ and Maxey, there's just no way you can have a Curry/IQ backcourt because neither gets to the rim. The poll results are a testament to homerism.

[robillionaire]

Not really, he's scoring efficiently with defenses more keyed in on stopping him, it would be one thing if he were scoring on low percentages. He's a better player, not sure why it's so hard for fans to accept that we don't have all of the best players in the world

The poll is peak homerism.

I wouldn't say that it's homerism, IQ made the all rookie team last year and Maxey didn't so I'd say he had a leg up after year 1, now this year IQ got off to a cold start and is just now starting to come back on while Maxey has been getting to start and put up numbers while philly has lost 5 in a row. IQ might be the better defender as well. I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems you've just got one guy playing 35.7 MPG and one guy playing 17 MPG

It's homerism if you can't objectively just watch 2 players and see that 1 can do things the other cant, the fact Maxey has a handle and can get to the rim and finish just gives him a huge advantage. That isn't even to say anything about one playing against starters while the other goes against 2nd units. It is pretty lopsided just judging them on ability, like if you swapped IQ and Maxey, there's just no way you can have a Curry/IQ backcourt because neither gets to the rim. The poll results are a testament to homerism.

Oh I didn’t even vote in the poll or look at the results I just thought you meant having the poll in general. I think Maxey looks better right now but I don’t think he looks so much better to where there’s no debate to be had

I think if IQ starts he’d put up huge numbers and I’d still take his shooting and defense over Maxey’s shooting and defense. Maxey obviously huge advantage with handle and getting to the rim and scoring at the rim, not really sure about passing IQ looks improved in that dept

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I wouldn't say that it's homerism, IQ made the all rookie team last year and Maxey didn't so I'd say he had a leg up after year 1, now this year IQ got off to a cold start and is just now starting to come back on while Maxey has been getting to start and put up numbers while philly has lost 5 in a row. IQ might be the better defender as well. I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems you've just got one guy playing 35.7 MPG and one guy playing 17 MPG

It's homerism if you can't objectively just watch 2 players and see that 1 can do things the other cant, the fact Maxey has a handle and can get to the rim and finish just gives him a huge advantage. That isn't even to say anything about one playing against starters while the other goes against 2nd units. It is pretty lopsided just judging them on ability, like if you swapped IQ and Maxey, there's just no way you can have a Curry/IQ backcourt because neither gets to the rim. The poll results are a testament to homerism.

Oh I didn’t even vote in the poll or look at the results I just thought you meant having the poll in general. I think Maxey looks better right now but I don’t think he looks so much better to where there’s no debate to be had

I think if IQ starts he’d put up huge numbers and I’d still take his shooting and defense over Maxey’s shooting and defense. Maxey obviously huge advantage with handle and getting to the rim and scoring at the rim, not really sure about passing IQ looks improved in that dept

I like IQ, but I think it's pretty clear he's a SG, sort of in the same vein as guys like Monk, Curry etc. Maybe he can develop into more in the future, but right this second he's a SG because of the finishing/handle limitations. I think Maxey has the profile of a scoring guard that you look for, which is he's shooting 50+% on 2 pointers, he's getting it at the rim and mid-range.

And the shooting thus far has been very much in Maxey's favor, which is why I'd take him over IQ. If the shooting is even remotely close there's no reason to rate IQ higher than him.

[SelbyCobra]

What Maxey has shown this year makes it not a discussion at this point, because he's been incredible - essentially a 50/40/90 guy. The question is whether or not that 3P shooting is real, or just a hot streak to start the year. Because Quickley had a massive advantage in that all-important category at basically every single point in their lives outside of the first 15 games of this NBA season.

[RHODEY]

Not really, he's scoring efficiently with defenses more keyed in on stopping him, it would be one thing if he were scoring on low percentages. He's a better player, not sure why it's so hard for fans to accept that we don't have all of the best players in the world

The poll is peak homerism.

I wouldn't say that it's homerism, IQ made the all rookie team last year and Maxey didn't so I'd say he had a leg up after year 1, now this year IQ got off to a cold start and is just now starting to come back on while Maxey has been getting to start and put up numbers while philly has lost 5 in a row. IQ might be the better defender as well. I don't think it's as lopsided as it seems you've just got one guy playing 35.7 MPG and one guy playing 17 MPG

It's homerism if you can't objectively just watch 2 players and see that 1 can do things the other cant, the fact Maxey has a handle and can get to the rim and finish just gives him a huge advantage. That isn't even to say anything about one playing against starters while the other goes against 2nd units. It is pretty lopsided just judging them on ability, like if you swapped IQ and Maxey, there's just no way you can have a Curry/IQ backcourt because neither gets to the rim. The poll results are a testament to homerism.

I objectively watched IQ versus the Pacers....Maxey aint better than that.

[WajaBawl]

Quickley leads Maxey in basically every advance stat:

RAPTOR
NET RATING
RPM
Etc.

He’s also the averaging an absurd 1.38 PPP in isolation scoring which is the 4th highest mark in the entire league and he takes more isolation shots a game than Maxey even though he plays half the minutes. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=PPP&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He’s a better scorer, defender and equal as a playmaker. The more you look at the numbers the more it seems that Quickley should be starting for this team.

Now that's something we agree on. Even last year his stats were screaming in favor of him starting. Same story this year. But typical Knicks to sign over the hill vets and not allow young players to really shine. IQ should have been starting since last year.

[3toheadmelo]

Quickley leads Maxey in basically every advance stat:

RAPTOR
NET RATING
RPM
Etc.

He’s also the averaging an absurd 1.38 PPP in isolation scoring which is the 4th highest mark in the entire league and he takes more isolation shots a game than Maxey even though he plays half the minutes. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=PPP&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He’s a better scorer, defender and equal as a playmaker. The more you look at the numbers the more it seems that Quickley should be starting for this team.

Now that's something we agree on. Even last year his stats were screaming in favor of him starting. Same story this year. But typical Knicks to sign over the hill vets and not allow young players to really shine. IQ should have been starting since last year.

our best point guards are always on the bench. it's sad

[Wharton Alum 08]

Quickley leads Maxey in basically every advance stat:

RAPTOR
NET RATING
RPM
Etc.

He’s also the averaging an absurd 1.38 PPP in isolation scoring which is the 4th highest mark in the entire league and he takes more isolation shots a game than Maxey even though he plays half the minutes. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=PPP&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He’s a better scorer, defender and equal as a playmaker. The more you look at the numbers the more it seems that Quickley should be starting for this team.

Now that's something we agree on. Even last year his stats were screaming in favor of him starting. Same story this year. But typical Knicks to sign over the hill vets and not allow young players to really shine. IQ should have been starting since last year.

Even with all those numbers Rose still grades out as the best guard on the team though.

[robillionaire]

It's homerism if you can't objectively just watch 2 players and see that 1 can do things the other cant, the fact Maxey has a handle and can get to the rim and finish just gives him a huge advantage. That isn't even to say anything about one playing against starters while the other goes against 2nd units. It is pretty lopsided just judging them on ability, like if you swapped IQ and Maxey, there's just no way you can have a Curry/IQ backcourt because neither gets to the rim. The poll results are a testament to homerism.

Oh I didn’t even vote in the poll or look at the results I just thought you meant having the poll in general. I think Maxey looks better right now but I don’t think he looks so much better to where there’s no debate to be had

I think if IQ starts he’d put up huge numbers and I’d still take his shooting and defense over Maxey’s shooting and defense. Maxey obviously huge advantage with handle and getting to the rim and scoring at the rim, not really sure about passing IQ looks improved in that dept

I like IQ, but I think it's pretty clear he's a SG, sort of in the same vein as guys like Monk, Curry etc. Maybe he can develop into more in the future, but right this second he's a SG because of the finishing/handle limitations. I think Maxey has the profile of a scoring guard that you look for, which is he's shooting 50+% on 2 pointers, he's getting it at the rim and mid-range.

And the shooting thus far has been very much in Maxey's favor, which is why I'd take him over IQ. If the shooting is even remotely close there's no reason to rate IQ higher than him.

I would hesitate to say “the shooting thus far has been very much in Maxey’s favor” since he’s 34% in his career and IQ is 38.7% and while he’s off to a hot start now it’s only 12 games with a small sample size, we would need to see more to say that conclusively. But I do buy Maxey’s shooting ability and did ever since the first game he ever played at Kentucky when he hit a deep 3 to close out the game

With that said Maxey wasn’t on the board when we picked IQ but he was on the board when we picked Toppin so maybe that’s the discussion we should be having instead

[knicksNOTslick]

I still think IQ has the higher upside. But has a lower floor and more likely to bust.

But the fact that we're having this debate about a late 1st rounder shows that we did good and shouldn't act like we missed out on a player.

Maxey hasn't really shown anything though over a longer period of time. The fact that we weren't talking about this debate his entire rookie year shows that you all would have been disappointed with Maxey last year and wished you had Quickley if it was the other way around. Who's to say he would've developed the same here anyways.

Our fans just don't know how to appreciate their own. IQ steps up during crunch time.

[thebuzzardman]

IQ is ok but it's still Maxey

[Zenzibar]

Duece may be better than both of them

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Embarrassing thread, one looks like he could be the next Tony Parker, while the other may be the next Daniel Gibson.

[BugginOut]

Yeah not going to lie Maxey took himself to the next level while IQ took a step back. Maybe it’s just a sophomore slump, but I never thought Maxey would be a better 3pt shooter than IQ.

IQ really needs to put in work this offseason

[DowNY]

IQ showed more last season.
This season, there’s no comparison. Maxey elevated.

[NowWHYcee7]

This is not even a question. Maxey is the superior player in every way. He makes things happen out there. IQ Is a chucker.

[dakomish23]

Maxey is the better player on both sides of the ball. The defensive difference looks huge.

Let’s see what happens when IQ is with the starters more long term. Maybe the gap decreases