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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1161 » by Jeffrey » Tue May 21, 2024 11:48 pm

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Can you name a better back up center?

He’s gonna make $15 and $12 mil over the next two years as well in that order.

Mitch is not a problem.

there's some decent free agents out there. jonas valucinas, bol bol, jaxson hayes.

mitch has had like 4 surgeries in the past 2 seasons. that's a massive problem.


I take Mitch over all of them. :dontknow:


I would trade Mitch for other role players and try to sign Mason Plumlee? No?

I don't know if Thibs would play a rookie as a backup center (Edey, Missi, Flipowski)
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1162 » by WargamesX » Tue May 21, 2024 11:49 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:there's some decent free agents out there. jonas valucinas, bol bol, jaxson hayes.

mitch has had like 4 surgeries in the past 2 seasons. that's a massive problem.


I take Mitch over all of them. :dontknow:

it's too bad mitch is never available to play. time to move on


Nah I think he you to treat him like Bynum and just keep him healthy and in shape until the playoffs. They probably need a upgrade on Sims/Precious as a third center.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1163 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue May 21, 2024 11:54 pm

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I take Mitch over all of them. :dontknow:

it's too bad mitch is never available to play. time to move on


Nah I think he you to treat him like Bynum and just keep him healthy and in shape until the playoffs. They probably need a upgrade on Sims/Precious as a third center.

mitch is more injury prone that bynum was at this part of his career. and at least bynum had a post game.

anyways i feel like i exhausted this convo. we'll see how the knicks handle this in the summer
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1164 » by rajajackal » Tue May 21, 2024 11:57 pm

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rajajackal wrote:hartenstein really let me down in the playoffs. he just doesn't have the physical abilities to win tipoffs, he's hot and cold as a rebounder, i rather let him walk and sign or draft a quality backup for mitch that can distribute the minutes with him. we can replace ihart's passing by using randle similarly. if anything putting randle in that role is a massive upgrade for the team's offense


Isaiah was not as good as I hoped in the playoffs, but he held his own for his first time starting. Im sure he was pretty banged up and fatigued by the end too, with no other front court players besides Precious around.

The flipside is if he played amazing and broke out on the national stage, we wouldn’t be able to keep him. Our offer should be right up his alley now.

Isaiah had some of the best advanced stats in the whole league. His raw stats may not jump off the page, but we would have been royally screwed if we didnt have him after Mitch went down again. Jericho sucks and Precious is undersized for a C.

If he stays I want to see him expand his offense though. No reason he cant take some jumpers or even threes going forward. That would truly unlock our team like crazy. He has the passing, floater, and a decent hook shot, so just add some corner threes this offseason.

for me it was more of an eye test evaluation. he just seems a little punkable, limited. he's sturdy and plays good defense with his feet but he just doesn't have that extra "thing" that a player like mitch has to contain and intimidate star level bigs. he did an admirable job but i think he honestly showcased a crucial role in thibs's offense (similar to noah's on the bulls) more than that he is individually that special

like i said before i think we can use randle like ihart on steroids - ihart sort of shared secondary handler duties with hart and divo in the playoffs. if you put randle, who would be the secondary handler upon return anyway, has notable passing ability, and is a star level scorer, in that position...you will not need mitch to score on more than lobs
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1165 » by KnixinSix » Tue May 21, 2024 11:58 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:We do not need much more, if any, offense.

Jalen can get 25-30 ppg
Julius can get 20-25 ppg
Donte and OG can get 14-18 ppg
Bojan and Deuce can get 10-13 ppg
Etc.

Remember in early January, after the OG trade, when we were all clamoring for another scorer? Brogdon, Dejounte, and what not?

Then Deuce started playing, and playing well. Then Donte started lighting it up. Then Isaiah started getting comfortable, facilitating and using floaters. Then we traded for Bojan and Alec.

We have more than enough offense. Guys just need to stay healthy.

Jalen is 1st option
Julius is 2nd option
Donte and OG share 3rd/4th option
Isaiah is 5th option

Deuce can grow into our 6th man to replace IQ, but Bojan will help him out for now (if he stays another year). Josh and Mitch will do their things. The starters will be staggered in with the bench as well.

Another cheap scorer would be nice for insurance (like playoff Burks), but my point is we have plenty of room for offensive improvement within. OG, Donte, Isaiah, and Deuce have all shown they could reach another level. OG when he’s aggressive is Kawhi-lite. Donte and Deuce have grown so much, and will continue to. Isaiah should let the corner threes fly and just take more shots in general.

The era of the big 3 is over with the new tax aprons. We are building a deep and tough squad. We aren’t trying to be the Suns.

Our defense, while hampered by injuries, was not good in the playoffs. Adding Mikal or Caruso over a chucker would be my move, unless somebody like Giannis asks out.


Mikhal or Mitchell would be my favorite moves. Spidah is not a low percentage chucker by any stretch and would save wear on Brunson
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1166 » by TrueWarrior » Wed May 22, 2024 12:10 am

rajajackal wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:
rajajackal wrote:hartenstein really let me down in the playoffs. he just doesn't have the physical abilities to win tipoffs, he's hot and cold as a rebounder, i rather let him walk and sign or draft a quality backup for mitch that can distribute the minutes with him. we can replace ihart's passing by using randle similarly. if anything putting randle in that role is a massive upgrade for the team's offense


Isaiah was not as good as I hoped in the playoffs, but he held his own for his first time starting. Im sure he was pretty banged up and fatigued by the end too, with no other front court players besides Precious around.

The flipside is if he played amazing and broke out on the national stage, we wouldn’t be able to keep him. Our offer should be right up his alley now.

Isaiah had some of the best advanced stats in the whole league. His raw stats may not jump off the page, but we would have been royally screwed if we didnt have him after Mitch went down again. Jericho sucks and Precious is undersized for a C.

If he stays I want to see him expand his offense though. No reason he cant take some jumpers or even threes going forward. That would truly unlock our team like crazy. He has the passing, floater, and a decent hook shot, so just add some corner threes this offseason.

for me it was more of an eye test evaluation. he just seems a little punkable, limited. he's sturdy and plays good defense with his feet but he just doesn't have that extra "thing" that a player like mitch has to contain and intimidate star level bigs. he did an admirable job but i think he honestly showcased a crucial role in thibs's offense (similar to noah's on the bulls) more than that he is individually that special

like i said before i think we can use randle like ihart on steroids - ihart sort of shared secondary handler duties with hart and divo in the playoffs. if you put randle, who would be the secondary handler upon return anyway, has notable passing ability, and is a star level scorer, in that position...you will not need mitch to score on more than lobs


What does Mitch do on offense in your scenario though? Just stand next to the basket, clogging the paint and waiting for lobs? He cant do anything else.

I like Mitch and we should keep him as a backup unless we get some great trade offer, but he had his chance. He hasn’t improved much, if anything, about his game and just cant stay healthy.

Isaiah has seemingly improved every year for the last 4 years. No reason to think he still cant get better, as he just turned 26 and didnt get big minutes until this season. He has stretch 5 potential, so if he adds some shooting with his defense, rebounding, passing, and floater he would be nasty.

I’d like to see us commit to his jumper, because we saw how Embiid and Turner opened things up against us. Porzingis would have done the same if we advanced. If we used Julius in the Isaiah role, then Isaiah could space the floor.

Anyway I get that some fans still prefer Mitch. All good. He did play Embiid better, as he matches up well against him. We can keep both for now, but we’ll see what happens.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1167 » by rajajackal » Wed May 22, 2024 12:17 am

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Isaiah was not as good as I hoped in the playoffs, but he held his own for his first time starting. Im sure he was pretty banged up and fatigued by the end too, with no other front court players besides Precious around.

The flipside is if he played amazing and broke out on the national stage, we wouldn’t be able to keep him. Our offer should be right up his alley now.

Isaiah had some of the best advanced stats in the whole league. His raw stats may not jump off the page, but we would have been royally screwed if we didnt have him after Mitch went down again. Jericho sucks and Precious is undersized for a C.

If he stays I want to see him expand his offense though. No reason he cant take some jumpers or even threes going forward. That would truly unlock our team like crazy. He has the passing, floater, and a decent hook shot, so just add some corner threes this offseason.

for me it was more of an eye test evaluation. he just seems a little punkable, limited. he's sturdy and plays good defense with his feet but he just doesn't have that extra "thing" that a player like mitch has to contain and intimidate star level bigs. he did an admirable job but i think he honestly showcased a crucial role in thibs's offense (similar to noah's on the bulls) more than that he is individually that special

like i said before i think we can use randle like ihart on steroids - ihart sort of shared secondary handler duties with hart and divo in the playoffs. if you put randle, who would be the secondary handler upon return anyway, has notable passing ability, and is a star level scorer, in that position...you will not need mitch to score on more than lobs


What does Mitch do on offense in your scenario though? Just stand next to the basket, clogging the paint and waiting for lobs? He cant do anything else.

I like Mitch and we should keep him as a backup unless we get some great trade offer, but he had his chance. He hasn’t improved much, if anything, about his game and just cant stay healthy.

Isaiah has seemingly improved every year for the last 4 years. No reason to think he still cant get better. He has stretch 5 potential, and with his defense, rebounding, passing, and floater he would be nasty.

I’d like to see us commit to his jumper, because we saw how Embiid and Turner opened things up against us. Porzingis would have done the same if we advanced. If we used Julius in the Isaiah role, then Isaiah could space the floor.

Anyway I get that some fans still prefer Mitch. All good. We can keep both for now, but we’ll see what happens.

for the record i'm not like, get hartenstein out of here. i'm saying with our flexibility dwindling this summer (og's contract, hartenstein's salary expectations)...i think we need him less than we need mitch when it matters and so strategically i would prefer to let him go get paid by someone else and use the remaining flexibility for other types of moves like wing depth

hartenstein is not spacing significantly more than mitch with that push shot. i am comfortable with his spacing limitations if randle is healthy because of his sheer presence at the center position. embiid is one thing but we got punked by myles turner
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Post#1168 » by Davis18 » Wed May 22, 2024 12:20 am

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I say he runs with hart, and deuce off the bench. He can split the minutes with divo and randle so they each get 32 minutes a night, hart and OG can rotate in and out 24 minutes each


If we do get Mikal then move Randle.

Mitch/IHart
OG
Mikal
Divo
Brunson
w/ Hart, Deuce, Bogy off bench would be solid.


we need that big body post presence who can bang down low and provide gravity with a double so he can kick it to an open brunson or divo. i dont think we move randle, i think we keep him and add to the team



I do agree Randle is one of best offensive PF in the league.
But do you trust him as part of core for championship team?
To me OG is ultimate PF which attributes are totally opposite from Randle's.
I believe with healthy OG we could have advanced a lot further.
This is not about OG vs Randle.
I do not mind running it back.
However, if I had a choice I would try to move Randle and get tall 3&D wing w/ some upside in offense.
Trick is Randle's value does not match with other teams.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread 

Post#1169 » by rajajackal » Wed May 22, 2024 12:30 am

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If we do get Mikal then move Randle.

Mitch/IHart
OG
Mikal
Divo
Brunson
w/ Hart, Deuce, Bogy off bench would be solid.


we need that big body post presence who can bang down low and provide gravity with a double so he can kick it to an open brunson or divo. i dont think we move randle, i think we keep him and add to the team



I do agree Randle is one of best offensive PF in the league.
But do you trust him as part of core for championship team?
To me OG is ultimate PF which attributes are totally opposite from Randle's.
I believe with healthy OG we could have advanced a lot further.
This is not about OG vs Randle.
I do not mind running it back.
However, if I had a choice I would try to move Randle and get tall 3&D wing w/ some upside in offense.
Trick is Randle's value does not match with other teams.

i feel like randle was gelling with OG earlier than brunson was. his focus on battling for the interior this season was tailor made to thrive with a catch and shoot 3 pt specialist like og. if you have og and mitch, randle's defensive woes are minimized. however, you need a solid 2 way player at starting sg (no disrespect to king ragu who i hope can be our bench assassin for years to come)
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Post#1170 » by Wildcat » Wed May 22, 2024 12:44 am

Mitch off the bench at 20-24 MPG is going to do wonders for his career. I'll take him over anyone else available right now.
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Post#1171 » by RHODEY » Wed May 22, 2024 1:56 am

sol537 wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:How about just adding Randle and OG?

my plan would be to add one of those players with randle and og. extra insurance on offense in case one of them goes down with an injury again. although some of these guys have injury risks as well admittingly.


Caruso is a clear upgrade over McBride and gives us more of what we need. So that simple seemingly "lateral" move could be pretty big... just like going from IQ/RJ to OG... improves our defense, makes us stronger on the boards, and gives us another guy who can run an offense for 10+ minutes...and he just turned 30 so he's basically Randle's age. No one would kill Chicago for cashing in on Caruso by getting McBride and pick(s) back. They should be cashing in on Derozan, Vuc, and others while they still can.


Offensively he's a clear decline over Mcbride.
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Post#1172 » by RHODEY » Wed May 22, 2024 1:57 am

Davis18 wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
Davis18 wrote:
If we do get Mikal then move Randle.

Mitch/IHart
OG
Mikal
Divo
Brunson
w/ Hart, Deuce, Bogy off bench would be solid.


we need that big body post presence who can bang down low and provide gravity with a double so he can kick it to an open brunson or divo. i dont think we move randle, i think we keep him and add to the team



I do agree Randle is one of best offensive PF in the league.
But do you trust him as part of core for championship team?
To me OG is ultimate PF which attributes are totally opposite from Randle's.
I believe with healthy OG we could have advanced a lot further.
This is not about OG vs Randle.
I do not mind running it back.
However, if I had a choice I would try to move Randle and get tall 3&D wing w/ some upside in offense.
Trick is Randle's value does not match with other teams.


If Head Case Bobby Portis can be part of core for championship team I see no reason why the vastly more talented Randle could not be.
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Post#1173 » by Davis18 » Wed May 22, 2024 2:03 am

RHODEY wrote:
Davis18 wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
we need that big body post presence who can bang down low and provide gravity with a double so he can kick it to an open brunson or divo. i dont think we move randle, i think we keep him and add to the team



I do agree Randle is one of best offensive PF in the league.
But do you trust him as part of core for championship team?
To me OG is ultimate PF which attributes are totally opposite from Randle's.
I believe with healthy OG we could have advanced a lot further.
This is not about OG vs Randle.
I do not mind running it back.
However, if I had a choice I would try to move Randle and get tall 3&D wing w/ some upside in offense.
Trick is Randle's value does not match with other teams.


If Head Case Bobby Portis can be part of core for championship team I see no reason why the vastly more talented Randle could not be.


Bobby Portis is a backup who won't demand 150M+ extension.
I do think Randle will stay since we won't be getting same value in return.
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Post#1174 » by aggo » Wed May 22, 2024 3:04 am

I think this means u go get Mikal to matchup brown who kinda got any shot he wanted vs divo
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Post#1175 » by Meat » Wed May 22, 2024 3:13 am

TrueWarrior wrote:We do not need much more, if any, offense.

Jalen can get 25-30 ppg
Julius can get 20-25 ppg
Donte and OG can get 14-18 ppg
Bojan and Deuce can get 10-13 ppg
Etc.

Remember in early January, after the OG trade, when we were all clamoring for another scorer? Brogdon, Dejounte, and what not?

Then Deuce started playing, and playing well. Then Donte started lighting it up. Then Isaiah started getting comfortable, facilitating and using floaters. Then we traded for Bojan and Alec.

We have more than enough offense. Guys just need to stay healthy.

Jalen is 1st option
Julius is 2nd option
Donte and OG share 3rd/4th option
Isaiah is 5th option

Deuce can grow into our 6th man to replace IQ, but Bojan will help him out for now (if he stays another year). Josh and Mitch will do their things. The starters will be staggered in with the bench as well.

Another cheap scorer would be nice for insurance (like playoff Burks), but my point is we have plenty of room for offensive improvement within. OG, Donte, Isaiah, and Deuce have all shown they could reach another level. OG when he’s aggressive is Kawhi-lite. Donte and Deuce have grown so much, and will continue to. Isaiah should let the corner threes fly and just take more shots in general.

The era of the big 3 is over with the new tax aprons. We are building a deep and tough squad. We aren’t trying to be the Suns.

Our defense, while hampered by injuries, was not good in the playoffs. Adding Mikal or Caruso over a chucker would be my move, unless somebody like Giannis asks out.

it's not what you can get, stop trying to maximize them and start trying to minimize their contributions so they're don't burn out\break down before the post season. This team was red lining all year and it showed come the playoffs.

besides it's simple risk, they harder they have to play, the longer they have to play, they greater chance something goes wrong.
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Post#1176 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 22, 2024 5:55 am

Davis18 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Davis18 wrote:

I do agree Randle is one of best offensive PF in the league.
But do you trust him as part of core for championship team?
To me OG is ultimate PF which attributes are totally opposite from Randle's.
I believe with healthy OG we could have advanced a lot further.
This is not about OG vs Randle.
I do not mind running it back.
However, if I had a choice I would try to move Randle and get tall 3&D wing w/ some upside in offense.
Trick is Randle's value does not match with other teams.


If Head Case Bobby Portis can be part of core for championship team I see no reason why the vastly more talented Randle could not be.


Bobby Portis is a backup who won't demand 150M+ extension.
I do think Randle will stay since we won't be getting same value in return.

Didn’t Portis complain about his time here?
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Post#1177 » by thebuzzardman » Wed May 22, 2024 9:09 am

Who gives a sh*t about any trades. The team as constituted couldn't even beat the Pacers.

Knicks might as well start trading pieces away now.
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Post#1178 » by thebuzzardman » Wed May 22, 2024 9:12 am

aggo wrote:I think this means u go get Mikal to matchup brown who kinda got any shot he wanted vs divo


I brought this idea up about 10 times during the latter part of the season.

That's probably the main team the Knicks would need to build "against".

They had issues during the season against Orlando, and couldn't beat the Pacers in the playoffs, so they might build to beat Boston and it turns out they can't beat those two teams.
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Post#1179 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed May 22, 2024 10:03 am

WargamesX wrote:
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I take Mitch over all of them. :dontknow:

it's too bad mitch is never available to play. time to move on


Nah I think he you to treat him like Bynum and just keep him healthy and in shape until the playoffs. They probably need a upgrade on Sims/Precious as a third center.




You can't have a team with OG and Mitch, two injury prone players being part of your core isn't going to work. It's dead money, spend less on a backup C and get another wing/guard.
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Post#1180 » by Mr Loggins » Wed May 22, 2024 10:25 am

Isiahthomass wrote:how about using McBride, Sims and a FRP or two for Darius Garland?



why would cleveland do that?

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