Plossum wrote:BigO wrote:Plossum wrote:How can you have no faith in TS% as a stat?
I mean, it's a relatively simple measure of how efficiently a player scores. It's not used to rank the best players in the league.
Average TS% these Playoffs so far is 56 TS%. Reg season was 58 TS%.
This is why I have no faith in it (see link below) or EFG as a stat. Even if you increase the minutes criteria to over 30 minutes, it's still useless. Look at the names.
It tells me nothing if highly efficient players like Shea Gilgeous Alexander and Embiid are way down the list. It doesn't meet the eye test. You guys can bow down to it as much as you like.
Take a player we're all familiar with- Grayson Allen. He has had a great shooting year. One of the top names on these lists. But other than a few posters here, no coach in their right mind would want Grayson over Bobby Portis.
You guys have become robotic. You substitute looking up stats for an analysis.
I do look at some stats, many of which I've discussed on here before. They've always worked for me and other old timers I hang out with who are bball junkies like me. To each his own. But when you are trying to make a case against BP, this ain't doing it.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=A&sort=EFG_PCT
I say this with all due respect, but it sounds like you're simply looking at who has the highest TS% and expecting it to pump out the list of the top players in the NBA.
TS% just tells you how efficiently the player scores. One player being more efficient than another doesn't mean they're better. TS% should be analysed in the context of the players role on the team. If a guy just dunks and shoots FTs (ala Deandre Jordan) they're going to be more efficient than someone like Khash or Dame. Doesn't mean they're a better player - just means they're shooting more efficiently (and you'd expect that if the guy's only role is to dunk).
Grayson and Bobby aren't a great comparison. Grayson played terribly these playoffs (not a shock to us Bucks fans) and his efficiency was only a smidge higher than Bobby's, when Bobby has a much more prominent and important role. Grayson basically had to run to his spots and hit open three which he couldn't do to save his life this post season.
Player A can be far less efficient than player B and still be a much better player.
Edit: I'm not making any case against Bobby for what it's worth. I think he has been a valuable player for the Bucks throughout his time here. He is being asked to do more than he's probably capable of on a consistent basis these playoffs due to the injury situation. I'm not gonna hold that against him. His role is a 6th man off the bench and that's where he thrives. This is the best way to explain why his efficiency has dropped so much from reg season to playoffs.
Appreciate the feedback from everyone.
If posters' feedback on BP (or any other player for that matter) was as balanced as your analysis above, I wouldn't be responding as I have.
The vast majority of the negative BP stuff is not balanced. It doesn't say he does this very well, but his TS% in the playoffs is down and this is why it matters.
Instead the argument is: "he's not been very good and his TS% shows it."
And it will not end. If BP has a bad game tonight and the Bucks lose the series, the generalities about BP will carry into the off season. I just find it strange for posters to pick on a bench guy who is so productive (especially compared to all the other bench guys).
By the way, one poster claimed I was anti Lopez because I pointed out the guy can't rebound (hardly a new observation).
That's never been my position and I've made many posts highlighting BL's strengths and weaknesses and how he is great against certain teams and playing certain schemes, but not others.
