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[raferfenix]

Giant contrast having an elite point of attack defender at PG in Jrue and Bledsoe vs Dame.

That’s even aside from how they were flanked by Brogdon / Donte (PJ in playoffs) / Wes / Allen vs Beasley (lol). Pat Bev helped but who knows whether he’s coming back.

Wondering if we see this as a critical hole to fill or if the defense could be improved / changed in other ways.

[Plossum]

I think there's still some juice left in the Giannis, Dame, Khris core. A proper off season and run of health will help. Hopefully Dame can resolve some of the personal issues in his life.

Challenge this offseason will be the moves around the edges. I think it's a given Gallo and Crowder are gone. We really need to invest a lot in developing AJG and AJJ. Pat is prob back unless he's salary filler in a trade. No realistic value there. Brook is the guy I'd dangle out there and see if there's any interest. I'd keep Bobby unless there's a good deal there for us.

Marjon seems a lost cause at this stage. Beas I'd keep if he's happy to stay here for cheap (a 2/6 type deal at most) - but we need to shuffle him to a bench scoring type role. Bev, ugh. I know some love him but feel there's more bark than bite with him. If he's happy for a 1 year vet min deal then why not.

[-Jragon-]

If you're forcing me to keep KM and upgrade speed/D around him then yes get that type of 2 but then we also need to change either Bobby or Brook for the same reason.

Those 3s Brook shot and missed in the 2nd half of game 6 were back breakers. Showed zero bball sense or even common sense when he was destroying them underneath.

I still think the way to keep KM healthy is get him a trainer for the off season get your damn legs at least to average and ....hey shoot 3s instead so you arent in the injury/turnover area of the floor. KM working on mobility and 3 point specialty makes him relevant for another 5 years.... IMHO

[blazza18]

We had a +17.2 net rating when Khris was on the floor with Giannis & Dame, and a +3.7 net rating when Giannis/Dame were on court without him this season.

Any of this "we look like X with Khris, Y without him" stuff as a knock on him is straight bull ****. It was obvious all season that the best version of this team was with him as the connector alongside the top 2, and he showed in the playoffs that he's still got it in him to do more when asked to do so as well.

If you wanna bring up health concerns, that's fair, but from a basketball perspective I'm not trying to hear that nonsense.

Middleton despite his issues, really showed how important it is to have a wing who is good to very good in a lot of areas. The Bucks should look into getting more of those.

[-Jragon-]

We had a +17.2 net rating when Khris was on the floor with Giannis & Dame, and a +3.7 net rating when Giannis/Dame were on court without him this season.

Any of this "we look like X with Khris, Y without him" stuff as a knock on him is straight bull ****. It was obvious all season that the best version of this team was with him as the connector alongside the top 2, and he showed in the playoffs that he's still got it in him to do more when asked to do so as well.

If you wanna bring up health concerns, that's fair, but from a basketball perspective I'm not trying to hear that nonsense.

Small sample size and all regular season games where teams go through the motions and noone really scouts or game plans much for each other. Slow is slow... you really think we can be that slow at the 3 again and survive against these fast a$$ teams in a series? The health and the slow go together anyways so you can't really seperate those.

We're talking 750 minute and 1000 minute samples respectively, so no, not really down with throwing that out just because it doesn't align with the narrative you're trying to push.

Also you wanna talk playoff series? Khris gave us 25/9/5 in our playoff series and we were -15.1 point per 100 possessions without him on the floor. Khris was literally one of the only positives in that series, the main reason we even had a chance in that series, and you're in here trying to rip on him lmao.

This dumb "we're slow and old with Khris" narrative you're trying to push doesn't hold up to even the mildest scrutiny. If the team is on the slower older side (it is), you fix the personnel issues that are actual problems, like the one dimensional or washed up role players (Beasley, Pat, Crowder, Bobby, etc).

Because a full game is 48 min.. 750
÷48 = the equivalent of like 15 games, regular season games in the 1st half of the year is like preseason. Useless stat.. throw it out. If anyone that that bs was going to work then we would have kept Griff. Hongo ball. They weren't even working together or running plays. A lot of teams didn't even play their best players vs us.

If you have a different reason that it's better not to trade KM I'd like to hear it. As of now, KM for Giddy, KM for KD ... Like everything sounds good.

[-Jragon-]

Being honest... Middleton standing in the corner for us hitting big nuts 3s is 10x better for our team than him fiddling around jumping on 7 footers feet while Dame and Giannis watch him lol wtf do I even have to say that

[-Jragon-]

His TS% would never be less than .625 ever again if he would subscribe to this mfing pod

[Prez]

Small sample size and all regular season games where teams go through the motions and noone really scouts or game plans much for each other. Slow is slow... you really think we can be that slow at the 3 again and survive against these fast a$$ teams in a series? The health and the slow go together anyways so you can't really seperate those.

We're talking 750 minute and 1000 minute samples respectively, so no, not really down with throwing that out just because it doesn't align with the narrative you're trying to push.

Also you wanna talk playoff series? Khris gave us 25/9/5 in our playoff series and we were -15.1 point per 100 possessions without him on the floor. Khris was literally one of the only positives in that series, the main reason we even had a chance in that series, and you're in here trying to rip on him lmao.

This dumb "we're slow and old with Khris" narrative you're trying to push doesn't hold up to even the mildest scrutiny. If the team is on the slower older side (it is), you fix the personnel issues that are actual problems, like the one dimensional or washed up role players (Beasley, Pat, Crowder, Bobby, etc).

Because a full game is 48 min.. 750
÷48 = the equivalent of like 15 games, regular season games in the 1st half of the year is like preseason. Useless stat.. throw it out. If anyone that that bs was going to work then we would have kept Griff. Hongo ball. They weren't even working together or running plays. A lot of teams didn't even play their best players vs us.

If you have a different reason that it's better not to trade KM I'd like to hear it. As of now, KM for Giddy, KM for KD ... Like everything sounds good.

I’m not gonna make a different case for you just because you decided that any stats/evidence that doesn’t align with your take is worthless, while providing nothing to support your own argument.

[Baddy Chuck]

Being honest... Middleton standing in the corner for us hitting big nuts 3s is 10x better for our team than him fiddling around jumping on 7 footers feet while Dame and Giannis watch him lol wtf do I even have to say that

I think any time you're able to shy away from 1 on 1 basketball and the game is flowing your team benefits. And 1 on 1 play is largely based on matchups and whatnot but like there will be times Khris going 1 on 1 is our best offense, even with Dame and Giannis.

Playoff isolation:

[Baddy Chuck]

As much as I'm not really expecting a Middleton trade to wow me, I'm wondering what the "move Middleton" crowd is expecting, how it differs from Middleton and how it improves our team NOW. I'm like wracking my brain looking around the league and thinking where he'd make sense and how much value they'd give up. Like I've seen a ton of talk and the only one I've really seen thrown out is Josh Giddey. Like what type of deals are people looking to return for Middleton? (For other teams fans that I'm sure are lurking I'm just using this as a gauge, ignore it)

Smart and Clark?
Wiggins and Moody?
Keldon Johnson and 1st?
Brooks and Eason?
Herb Jones and Larry Nance?
Austin Reaves?
Cam Johnson?
Jonathan Issac?
Are we looking to swap him for another "star" just to see a different look like say Zach LaVine?
Are we setting sites higher and looking for a DeJounte Murray or Jerami Grant type guy?
Are we expecting more or less than these type of deals? Are we hoping we just gamble on young talent and/or picks?

I'm genuinely curious.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

As much as I'm not really expecting a Middleton trade to wow me, I'm wondering what the "move Middleton" crowd is expecting, how it differs from Middleton and how it improves our team NOW. I'm like wracking my brain looking around the league and thinking where he'd make sense and how much value they'd give up. Like I've seen a ton of talk and the only one I've really seen thrown out is Josh Giddey. Like what type of deals are people looking to return for Middleton? (For other teams fans that I'm sure are lurking I'm just using this as a gauge, ignore it)

Smart and Clark?
Wiggins and Moody?
Keldon Johnson and 1st?
Brooks and Eason?
Herb Jones and Larry Nance?
Austin Reaves?
Cam Johnson?
Jonathan Issac?
Are we looking to swap him for another "star" just to see a different look like say Zach LaVine?
Are we setting sites higher and looking for a DeJounte Murray or Jerami Grant type guy?
Are we expecting more or less than these type of deals? Are we hoping we just gamble on young talent and/or picks?

I'm genuinely curious.

Yeah, I'm not a huge midds guy and been hoping we trade for the like the past 4 years until last deadline when it became pretty clear due to our salary structure, he is worth way more to us than anyone else in the league.

Definitely not advocating it, but is their a brook/midds for nurkic beal trade that at least makes us younger.

[theFireBlanket]

Giannis unsubscribing to the pod isnt a sign that Pat Bev is gone, its just an offseason ritual.

[blazza18]

Trading Midds for a New Orleans package of young players and/or picks would be pretty funny.

[-Jragon-]

Being honest... Middleton standing in the corner for us hitting big nuts 3s is 10x better for our team than him fiddling around jumping on 7 footers feet while Dame and Giannis watch him lol wtf do I even have to say that

I think any time you're able to shy away from 1 on 1 basketball and the game is flowing your team benefits. And 1 on 1 play is largely based on matchups and whatnot but like there will be times Khris going 1 on 1 is our best offense, even with Dame and Giannis.

Playoff isolation:

Lots of dudes on this list are 1st round and out.. get the point or..

[-Jragon-]

Being honest... Middleton standing in the corner for us hitting big nuts 3s is 10x better for our team than him fiddling around jumping on 7 footers feet while Dame and Giannis watch him lol wtf do I even have to say that

I think any time you're able to shy away from 1 on 1 basketball and the game is flowing your team benefits. And 1 on 1 play is largely based on matchups and whatnot but like there will be times Khris going 1 on 1 is our best offense, even with Dame and Giannis.

Playoff isolation:

Lots of dudes on this list are 1st round and out.. get the point or..

our BEST playoff offense was relying on one on one contested 2s from KM... he was best at it! Yet here we are so that was a low bar wasn't it?

[Baddy Chuck]

Lots of dudes on this list are 1st round and out.. get the point or..

No i don't because I'm pretty sure you have no point and it changes whenever met with anything.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think any time you're able to shy away from 1 on 1 basketball and the game is flowing your team benefits. And 1 on 1 play is largely based on matchups and whatnot but like there will be times Khris going 1 on 1 is our best offense, even with Dame and Giannis.

Playoff isolation:

Lots of dudes on this list are 1st round and out.. get the point or..

our BEST playoff offense was relying on one on one contested 2s from KM... he was best at it! Yet here we are so that was a low bar wasn't it?

Being the best playoff iso scorer isn't alow bar, it's awesome. 1.44 Points per possession is phenomenal. Dude is a witch.

[Baddy Chuck]

Funny stat for the "dribble off the foot" crowd, Middleton turned it over zero times in isolation this postseason.

[-Jragon-]

Then he can voodoo himself into a 3 point specialist where it's less likely to be an injury or turnover. He already has the skill... just needs volume

[-Jragon-]

I wish km and Lopez would switch brains.. he should be banging and KM should be splash