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emunney wrote:

RogerMurdock wrote:

Karsenmitsche wrote:Way too early for draft talk but Ryan Dunn might be the wing answer. Extreme athleticism and probably the best defender in the draft. Projected to go mid 20s.

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Pulling this over from the closed News thread.

Dunn is interesting and very well might be there when the Bucks pick in the first round. Outside shot that he'd be available for the second round, but probably not.

He certainly fits everyone's desire to get younger and more athletic. HOO BOY is he athletic and long. Ridiculous defender. Good kid and teammate, too.

The massive problem - and the reason he isn't a lottery pick - is that he has ZERO offensive game. None. Can't shoot, like really can't shoot. Magnitudes worse than Giannis. And for a guy who is as quick and athletic as he is, he has no handles, so he never puts the ball on the floor and drives to the basket. All of his points were on dunks, oops, putbacks, and layups. Even in situations where he got the ball a few feet from the basket, but was guarded, he had no ability to just put up a little shot off the glass or something. Runs the floor tremendously, but again, it's all to get dunks. If he got fouled on a transition attempt, he was making one free throw, max.

It was clearly a mental thing with him. His freshman year, he didn't get a ton of playing time, but did show some ability to hit threes and do more on offense. He supposedly had a good jumper in high school.

The good thing is, from reading some things he said after the season, he is well aware of his shortcomings and did admit it was a mental thing. Sounds like he's going to work really hard to improve his offensive game.

I honestly don't know what I would do if I were the Bucks and he's there at #23. He would be a wonderful addition with his elite athleticism, length, energy, and defensive skills. The kind of guy we need. But his complete absence of an offensive game would be tough to deal with. If he figures it out and becomes an adequate offensive player, he would be a steal in the late first round. Will be interesting to see how her performs at pre-draft camps, tryouts, etc.

I think he fairs ok in comparison to a guy like Vanderbilt. I love the edge he plays with and of course the physical traits. Vanderbilt is more skilled, but it's not like he gets touches, so that difference probably doesn't matter much.

I also think we have to keep in mind that with guys like him, they don't need much skill to be effective. He can be an ehh ball handler and still kill guys off the dribble in a straight line because he's so long and explosive and aggressive at the rim.

I totally understand the concerns with him, but they wouldn't keep me from taking him in the lottery in this draft. He's a wow athlete and competitor. That can get you a long way.

neiLz wrote:which team is willing to give up a late lotto pick for bobby or brook? need to pull a spurs and target a young guy and hopefully hit like they did with kawhi a few years back.

pifhluk23 wrote:Idk why we would trade for picks if the goal is to run it back. Rookies are like 1% chance to contribute to an 8 man playoff rotation.

Ron Swanson wrote:

neiLz wrote:which team is willing to give up a late lotto pick for bobby or brook? need to pull a spurs and target a young guy and hopefully hit like they did with kawhi a few years back.

Brook to OKC for #12
Bobby to Sacramento for #13

Probably the two most likely scenarios. I'd be targeting Devin Carter and Jared McCain.

German Athens wrote:This isn’t something I’m advocating for, because I think it would severely limit our ability to make additional moves, but I think OKC has enough cap space, that we could trade Brook for just #12, and then potentially get all the way under the tax.

Ron Swanson wrote:

German Athens wrote:This isn’t something I’m advocating for, because I think it would severely limit our ability to make additional moves, but I think OKC has enough cap space, that we could trade Brook for just #12, and then potentially get all the way under the tax.

Brook is your biggest salary chip available in order to get 1-2 playoff rotation pieces in that 25-30 age range. Just getting a pick and cap savings back for him is a non-starter. What we should be looking at are trades where we flip Brook and both our picks for a "solid player, bad contract" distressed asset type guy (Cam Johnson, Kuzma, DeAndre Hunter) while keeping #12.

pifhluk23 wrote:Idk why we would trade for picks if the goal is to run it back. Rookies are like 1% chance to contribute to an 8 man playoff rotation.

pifhluk23 wrote:Idk why we would trade for picks if the goal is to run it back. Rookies are like 1% chance to contribute to an 8 man playoff rotation.

pifhluk23 wrote:If we don't trade our picks (which we should) I want Cam Spencer and hope he turns into TJ McConnell. I would use our 2nd on him.

jschligs wrote:

pifhluk23 wrote:Idk why we would trade for picks if the goal is to run it back. Rookies are like 1% chance to contribute to an 8 man playoff rotation.

Just not true at all. I’ve watched LaRavia play big minutes for Denver, Jaquez Jr play for Miami, Maxey for Philly all as rookies and there are plenty more. Hell, I’d argue Ajax should’ve played a few more minutes for the Bucks. It happens regularly.

msiris wrote:

pifhluk23 wrote:Idk why we would trade for picks if the goal is to run it back. Rookies are like 1% chance to contribute to an 8 man playoff rotation.

Its more about playing them in the regular season so we don't have to ask the older guys to play 38 minutes a game.