Sac - Toronto - Jazz Attempt #2

[LightTheBeam]

Kings out: Barnes, Huerter, Duarte, Sasha, 2025 Kings 2nd
Kings in: Collins, Bruce Brown

Toronto out: Bruce Brown
Toronto in: Huerter, Sasha, #32, 2025 Kings 2nd

Jazz out: Collins, 32
Jazz in: Barnes, Duarte

Why for Kings? I don't want to trade #13 for a non needle mover, so let's make a non needle moving deal while keeping our 1st. This adds two athletic players who can fit into a more fast paced offense. Our starting lineup defense should be really good with Keon/Brown replacing Huerter/Barnes.
Fox - Keon - Brown - Keegan - Sabonis
Mitchell - Monk* - #13 - Lyles - Collins

Why for Toronto? Add some shooting to the core, pick up 2 2nds in the process.

Why for Utah? Dump Collins into Barnes using the #32. Dart throw on Duarte, hes expiring salary filler.

[babyjax13]

I think this makes more sense. Toronto gets some assets for Brown - they might want to keep him but if they don't this seems right - Utah swaps Collins for a better player who can play a bit at a position of need (and who I think is flippable). Sacramento gets a better fit with Collins and adds a nice wing. I'd see if we could swap around Duarte and Sasha because I'm kind of intrigued by Vezenkov, but I don't think that really matters.

[jayjaysee]

I like this for everyone. Think it’s a nice balance of justifying paying Brown instead of letting him hit free agency.

I’d just keep Barnes if I were Sac, but I’ve always been higher on him and lower on Collins than the consensus. You can offer Toronto 2-3 seconds instead of “32” and just do that part without taking on Collins money..

[oldncreaky]

I like this for everyone. Think it’s a nice balance of justifying paying Brown instead of letting him hit free agency.

I’d just keep Barnes if I were Sac, but I’ve always been higher on him and lower on Collins than the consensus. You can offer Toronto 2-3 seconds instead of “32” and just do that part without taking on Collins money..

I think getting 2-3 SRPs in future drafts would be better for TOR than "#32" given Toronto's current roster and picks 19 and 31

OP seems reasonable and fair for Toronto. I'd argue that TOR is better off declining Brown's TO, and using the roughly $30M in cap space, but I expect Masai will disagree with me and pick up Brown's option.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't like the loss of shooting for the Kings and paying for it. But if one believes Collins is some untapped talent somehow still I guess I get it.

Other teams should do this and quickly though Utah should route Harry Barnes along to his next stop.

[LightTheBeam]

I think this makes more sense. Toronto gets some assets for Brown - they might want to keep him but if they don't this seems right - Utah swaps Collins for a better player who can play a bit at a position of need (and who I think is flippable). Sacramento gets a better fit with Collins and adds a nice wing. I'd see if we could swap around Duarte and Sasha because I'm kind of intrigued by Vezenkov, but I don't think that really matters.

I actually had the two swapped first. Thought that Toronto would prefer the expiring, but with Barnes, Hendricks, Lauri I thought Utah wouldn't want to add a non defensive shooter there.

[LightTheBeam]

I don't like the loss of shooting for the Kings and paying for it. But if one believes Collins is some untapped talent somehow still I guess I get it.

Other teams should do this and quickly though Utah should route Harry Barnes along to his next stop.

I like this for everyone. Think it’s a nice balance of justifying paying Brown instead of letting him hit free agency.

I’d just keep Barnes if I were Sac, but I’ve always been higher on him and lower on Collins than the consensus. You can offer Toronto 2-3 seconds instead of “32” and just do that part without taking on Collins money..

Barnes is probably better than Collins, but his fit isn't. Kings are already one of the smallest teams in the league, and teams consistently abused us at the forward spot. Pelicans matchup was clear as day with us going 0-6 against them. I'm curious if offensively Sabonis/Collins can run a homeless version of what Jokic/Gordon do. Barnes isn't athletic enough to pull that off. Also our rebounding is criminally bad when Sabonis gets switched onto the perimeter, Collins should help with that.

Overall Collins isn't ideal, but running it back isn't either. And our limited assets + owed pick makes upgrading really challenging.

[SkyHook]

I like it all the way around. Nice.

[MessiahUjiri]

I think this makes more sense. Toronto gets some assets for Brown - they might want to keep him but if they don't this seems right - Utah swaps Collins for a better player who can play a bit at a position of need (and who I think is flippable). Sacramento gets a better fit with Collins and adds a nice wing. I'd see if we could swap around Duarte and Sasha because I'm kind of intrigued by Vezenkov, but I don't think that really matters.

I really like it too.

Also, if Utah wants Sasha, they can easily get Sasha and Huerter instead of Barnes. Barnes would be a pretty easy fit from Toronto.

It works all around.

[OxAndFox]

I like it. My bias towards Sasha and what he could become wants him to stay and put Davion in there instead.

[Godaddycurse]

I like it. My bias towards Sasha and what he could become wants him to stay and put Davion in there instead.

Either works for me

[LightTheBeam]

I like it. My bias towards Sasha and what he could become wants him to stay and put Davion in there instead.

I like Sasha as well, I'm just tainted from watching OKC/Minnesota play. I want nothing but athletes, and right now the Kings are stuck with a bunch of undersized non athletes. Clear them out and get back to the fast paced team we were lol.

[Texas Chuck]

I like it. My bias towards Sasha and what he could become wants him to stay and put Davion in there instead.

I like Sasha as well, I'm just tainted from watching OKC/Minnesota play. I want nothing but athletes, and right now the Kings are stuck with a bunch of undersized non athletes. Clear them out and get back to the fast paced team we were lol.

Dallas as a franchise chose skill/shooting over size/athleticism for most of its history. I still can't get used to a team with big athletes all over the court.

It's super fun, but also I miss having consistent shooters.

[LightTheBeam]

I like it. My bias towards Sasha and what he could become wants him to stay and put Davion in there instead.

I like Sasha as well, I'm just tainted from watching OKC/Minnesota play. I want nothing but athletes, and right now the Kings are stuck with a bunch of undersized non athletes. Clear them out and get back to the fast paced team we were lol.

Dallas as a franchise chose skill/shooting over size/athleticism for most of its history. I still can't get used to a team with big athletes all over the court.

It's super fun, but also I miss having consistent shooters.

Yea well the results so far in Dallas are great. PJ was my favorite pick up at the break (IIRC you didn't like it but he needed a change).

But look at Sac.

Huerter - Streaky/Soft - not athletic
Barnes - Undersized PF - not athletic
Sabonis - Undersized Center - not athletic
Davion - 5'11 on a good day
Sasha - Not an athlete
Lyles - Good size, but not all that athletic.

It's not uncommon for us to be overmatched at literally all 5 positions on any given night.

I think if you are going with Sabonis being your center, you have to compensate elsewhere. You cannot win in the NBA with so many non defenders getting on the floor. 1 sure, 2 maybe, but somethings gotta change in Sac.

And post trade, Keon/Keegan/Monk/Lyles can still shoot. Fox was up to 37% on high volume this year. Collins had a bounce back year shooting and Bruce was capable (not great) when he played in Denver. I still think you still have shooters, but way more balance.

[Jadoogar]

From Toronto, easy yes

[OxAndFox]

I like Sasha as well, I'm just tainted from watching OKC/Minnesota play. I want nothing but athletes, and right now the Kings are stuck with a bunch of undersized non athletes. Clear them out and get back to the fast paced team we were lol.

Dallas as a franchise chose skill/shooting over size/athleticism for most of its history. I still can't get used to a team with big athletes all over the court.

It's super fun, but also I miss having consistent shooters.

Yea well the results so far in Dallas are great. PJ was my favorite pick up at the break (IIRC you didn't like it but he needed a change).

But look at Sac.

Huerter - Streaky/Soft - not athletic
Barnes - Undersized PF - not athletic
Sabonis - Undersized Center - not athletic
Davion - 5'11 on a good day
Sasha - Not an athlete
Lyles - Good size, but not all that athletic.

It's not uncommon for us to be overmatched at literally all 5 positions on any given night.

I think if you are going with Sabonis being your center, you have to compensate elsewhere. You cannot win in the NBA with so many non defenders getting on the floor. 1 sure, 2 maybe, but somethings gotta change in Sac.

And post trade, Keon/Keegan/Monk/Lyles can still shoot. Fox was up to 37% on high volume this year. Collins had a bounce back year shooting and Bruce was capable (not great) when he played in Denver. I still think you still have shooters, but way more balance.

That is all fair and can't disagree at all. I'm with you on the athleticism part especially.