Philly - Memphis

[howiezbt]

Philly trades 2024 1st Round pick (#16)

Memphis Trades: Marcus Smart and a 2025 FRP (top 20 protected), then 2 SRPs.

Philly gives up a decent pick for smart who will help their perimeter defense and make the hustle plays Philly needs.

Memphis is up against the cap and wants to pick up Kennard’s option. If they do, they have no space to improve the team via free agency. Trading Smart’s contract makes it all work. Plus they get a mid round FRP to do it. Trading a future protected pick is a good sweetener to open up their ability to sign free agents.

[psman2]

This is not something we would consider at all. We simply release Kennard 100 out of 100 times if we determine we want the full mle to go shopping with. Drop the 2025 1st then at least it is a consideration if we want to pivot, but I still think we pass here.

Philly is going to hold on to their cap space to go star hunting regardless so this is likely not something they would explore before FA even starts.

[esvl]

Smart > #16 2024, even >> for a contender

[PhillyNj]

Smart at 20 million next year and 21 mil the year after in a NBA with the new apron system is not a positive.
I believe you will see players like Smart being salary dumped just so teams don’t have to pay the taxes.
I’d like to add.” I like Smart. This is not a knock on him at all”
Under the new CBA he has negative value. The best I can see you getting is trading him to another team for a player with say 10 mil. That no longer fits with his team. Certainly no chance he warents a decent FRP.

[howiezbt]

Both sides hate it. Must be a good deal! Haha!!

[esvl]

Smart at 20 million next year and 21 mil the year after in a NBA with the new apron system is not a positive.
I believe you will see players like Smart being salary dumped just so teams don’t have to pay the taxes.
I’d like to add.” I like Smart. This is not a knock on him at all”
Under the new CBA he has negative value. The best I can see you getting is trading him to another team for a player with say 10 mil. That no longer fits with his team. Certainly no chance he warents a decent FRP.

Smart would eat Brunson alive. Is it worth the 10 m difference in salary?

[Godaddycurse]

Smart at 20 million next year and 21 mil the year after in a NBA with the new apron system is not a positive.
I believe you will see players like Smart being salary dumped just so teams don’t have to pay the taxes.
I’d like to add.” I like Smart. This is not a knock on him at all”
Under the new CBA he has negative value. The best I can see you getting is trading him to another team for a player with say 10 mil. That no longer fits with his team. Certainly no chance he warents a decent FRP.

20M is the going rate for a 4th-5th starter. Smart is paid appropiately

[brackdan70]

I don’t think Memphis needs to send a pick here. They gave up two first to acquire Smart, so I don’t think they would be ready to bail on him anyway.
I like the idea for Philly.

[HartfordWhalers]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

[psman2]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

I agree that Memphis at least has the roster now where they could consider a Smart trade if it makes sense. But the timing of this trade using a 2024 pick and 76ers FA plans is going to make the OP near impossible. Now during FA if Philly wants Smart still and Memphis can find a 3 way deal they like then maybe something can be figured out here. Like a 3 way landing us Claxton with the Nets receiving the Philly asset(2028 LAC 1st?). That is a scenario I could see unfolding, but dumping Smart to avoid the the tax is not going to be a thing. Memphis simply releases Kennard and we are out of the tax if that is a priority and can then pay to dump some other little salaries and we have the full MLE if needed. And no way is Memphis including a 1st here.

[esvl]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

[psman2]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

[HartfordWhalers]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

Philly's best player is what 6 years older than Memphis' best? Personally if I were Memphis I would be trying to time to be as good as possible in 2-3 years versus going all in now.
So, yeah, regardless of Philly being involved which has some real timeline issues with free agency (Edit: and regardless if you think 16 is far below Smart's value which I would disagree with strongly) I think Memphis pushed in a bit too early for Smart, and would be smart to do similar to what they did with melton, slightly roll over the asset to hopefully peak all similar to the right time.

[jbk1234]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

How broadly are we defining contenders here?

Once you've answered that question, how do those teams aquire Smart without sending back even more money to the Grizzlies?

The Magic have Suggs. I think the list is probably Philly unless PG walks and the Clippers get in the mix.

[esvl]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

Next year play off, do you want to have Smart in clutch against best NBA teams? If not, who would take his role?

[HartfordWhalers]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

I really should look and see if this blocks Philly's FA plans first, but just putting in some other contender as a baseline something around:

Smart to Philly or some other contender
Grant to Memphis
Zaire + [filler?] + draft compensation to Portland

With obviously everyone getting more value filled in.

[esvl]

I haven't done the math, but if Philly could do:

1) Max FA
2) Keep Reed?
3) Get Smart

Then the idea of Smart is pretty awesome. 16 and maybe more although the timing is a bit of an issue.
If it is a choice between Reed and Smart, then it gets dicier as an Embiid backup at least as good as Reed if not better is really a need.
If it is a choice between Smart and a max fa, then Smart isn't an option worth considering at this time.

For Memphis, I'm okay with selling out of Smart and retooling for a slightly younger timeline. But obviously the inclusion of the pick looks pretty scary, if you trade Smart and pick 21 to get pick 16 in a supposedly weak draft, what the hell were you trading Smart for?
If OP is trying to pay less than 16, well, I think 16 is already a fair price to pay so I disagree. But if still trying to do that, just make it directly the 2nds or something less variable than a chance at a similar-ish pick.

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

Philly's best player is what 6 years older than Memphis' best? Personally if I were Memphis I would be trying to time to be as good as possible in 2-3 years versus going all in now.
So, yeah, regardless of Philly being involved which has some real timeline issues with free agency (Edit: and regardless if you think 16 is far below Smart's value which I would disagree with strongly) I think Memphis pushed in a bit too early for Smart, and would be smart to do similar to what they did with melton, slightly roll over the asset to hopefully peak all similar to the right time.

Memphis’ boys are ready. The championship window is open for them. We disagree here.

On Smart’s trade value. #16 on a good draft would be close if and only if Memphis does not need his intangibles, leadership, and experience as desperately as they are needed now.

[psman2]

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

I really should look and see if this blocks Philly's FA plans first, but just putting in some other contender as a baseline something around:

Smart to Philly or some other contender
Grant to Memphis
Zaire + [filler?] + draft compensation to Portland

With obviously everyone getting more value filled in.

Zero interest in Grant. Last thing we need is expensive 4th option that is an anemic rebounder. Keep Smart easily over Grant.

[Godaddycurse]

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

I really should look and see if this blocks Philly's FA plans first, but just putting in some other contender as a baseline something around:

Smart to Philly or some other contender
Grant to Memphis
Zaire + [filler?] + draft compensation to Portland

With obviously everyone getting more value filled in.

Zero interest in Grant. Last thing we need is expensive 4th option that is an anemic rebounder. Keep Smart easily over Grant.

smart to philly
poeltl to memphis
draft compensation to toronto

[psman2]

Given that Smart is a desirable asset for most contenders, including both PHI and MEM, why would Memphis agree to trade him for a moderate draft asset? If Smart is great for PHI, why he is not great for MEM is where I struggle to catch the rationale.

I think the rationale of the OP was off, but redistributing Smart's salary/value to the frontcourt could be something Memphis at least considers. Trading him for a TPE and 16 would never be in the cards, but working out an acceptable 3 way deal could be.

Next year play off, do you want to have Smart in clutch against best NBA teams? If not, who would take his role?

I think Vince is the most likely to step into that role. Not the defender that Smart is but if we can get a good defensive frontcourt player in then I think we will be ok. Now of course I rather hold onto to Smart and find another way to land a guy like Claxton but the numbers might not work out and is something we are going to have to evaluate.

But yes I am looking forward to keeping Smart and having him as our main POA defender in the playoffs next year.