Trade offers for Darius Garland?

[jbk1234]

You mean Cleveland is adding picks? Because I don’t see a scenario where the lakers are trading the better player and picks for their trouble and I don’t see Lebron declining to a level worse than garland even in the next two seasons.

I don't really want to trade Garland for LBJ at all. I think it's pretty foolish for a team to tie up $100M in cap space on a guy turning 40 and who doesn't have another half a step to lose. Obviously, this trade wouldn't just be about the next two years as Garland is 24 and locked up. If the Lakers wouldn't add a couple picks, the Cavs move on.

I think Lebron with half a step less is still a better player than Garland could ever be and I don’t see the lakers doing the Cavs a favor by agreeing to a sign and trade, taking on a player that isn’t a needle mover and adding a couple of picks on top of that. That’s the kind of offer Daryl Morey makes for fun and gets laughed off the phone.

That's fine. As I said, I don't like the idea anyway. I was just trying to find a way to make it palatable from the Cavs perspective. Garland is under contract for 4 more years and I'm against trading him this summer. Altman's primary job, after extending Mitchell, should be getting Garland and Mitchell in a room together and seeing if there's a way to resolve this under a new coach.

[Slava]

I don't really want to trade Garland for LBJ at all. I think it's pretty foolish for a team to tie up $100M in cap space on a guy turning 40 and who doesn't have another half a step to lose. Obviously, this trade wouldn't just be about the next two years as Garland is 24 and locked up. If the Lakers wouldn't add a couple picks, the Cavs move on.

I think Lebron with half a step less is still a better player than Garland could ever be and I don’t see the lakers doing the Cavs a favor by agreeing to a sign and trade, taking on a player that isn’t a needle mover and adding a couple of picks on top of that. That’s the kind of offer Daryl Morey makes for fun and gets laughed off the phone.

That's fine. As I said, I don't like the idea anyway. I was just trying to find a way to make it palatable from the Cavs perspective. Garland is under contract for 4 more years and I'm against trading him this summer. Altman's primary job, after extending Mitchell, should be getting Garland and Mitchell in a room together and seeing if there's a way to resolve this under a new coach.

Putting aside Lebron, don’t we have adequate sample size of Lillard and McCollum to know what the limit for a team with two smaller guards neither of whom are particularly good defenders is? If not for Lebron, I think the cavs still need to move garland if they can secure Mitchell to an extension. I also think you’re overvaluing Garland, when his stats are exactly the same as D’Angelo from last season and he’s not particularly that young either when he’s into his second contract.

[cavsfanatic]

I think I'm just going to keep Darius not crazy about many of these offers,,,i don't like trading talent when its bottomed out..
things to remember about Garland this year. He broke his jaw, lost weight , his grandmother passed away and wasn't the same after that. He really needs to put in some work in the offseason and get stronger. Needs to dedicate himself more. He can always be traded at the deadline. He can be much much better next year. I don't want to give him away and watch him and Wemby tear up the west.

[jbk1234]

I think Lebron with half a step less is still a better player than Garland could ever be and I don’t see the lakers doing the Cavs a favor by agreeing to a sign and trade, taking on a player that isn’t a needle mover and adding a couple of picks on top of that. That’s the kind of offer Daryl Morey makes for fun and gets laughed off the phone.

That's fine. As I said, I don't like the idea anyway. I was just trying to find a way to make it palatable from the Cavs perspective. Garland is under contract for 4 more years and I'm against trading him this summer. Altman's primary job, after extending Mitchell, should be getting Garland and Mitchell in a room together and seeing if there's a way to resolve this under a new coach.

Putting aside Lebron, don’t we have adequate sample size of Lillard and McCollum to know what the limit for a team with two smaller guards neither of whom are particularly good defenders is? If not for Lebron, I think the cavs still need to move garland if they can secure Mitchell to an extension. I also think you’re overvaluing Garland, when his stats are exactly the same as D’Angelo from last season and he’s not particularly that young either when he’s into his second contract.

Lillard and McCollum didn't have Allen and Mobley behind them.

I think 24 is still young. Garland spent most of his regular season minutes playing alongside Okoro, LeVert, and Niang during the hardest part of our schedule as to where Dlo played alongside LBJ and AD. Garland averaged 8.6 assists per game, to go along with 20 efficent points, before he was asked to share a backcourt with Mitchell.

I just find the Dlo comparison risible. They're not comparable players. The fact that people are making it is why Altman shouldn't trade him this summer if he can help it.

[DowJones]

I think I'm just going to keep Darius not crazy about many of these offers,,,i don't like trading talent when its bottomed out..
things to remember about Garland this year. He broke his jaw, lost weight , his grandmother passed away and wasn't the same after that. He really needs to put in some work in the offseason and get stronger. Needs to dedicate himself more. He can always be traded at the deadline. He can be much much better next year. I don't want to give him away and watch him and Wemby tear up the west.

It really depends on what the offers are. I would do Ingram for Garland straight up if Ingram agrees to an extension as part of the deal. I am not sure what other offers are out there but if the best you get is George and the 8th pick (for example) from San Antonio, or a pick-based deal from someone else, then you have to keep him.

[Slim Charless]

There are 3 reasons actually.

New. York. City.

Anything else is just icing on the cake.

Knicks will be far higher on any list than you guys as far as Biid, Luka and Giannis are concerned. Like I said, I think the best you can get is Mitchell.

Sure but will they make the cap space necessary to sign those guys? They’re about to be locked into this core once Brunson and OG get their deals.

When it comes to trade assets they certainly can’t compete with Brooklyn.

Yeah. They can. lol

What world ru living in? The Knicks will make room if 1 of those guys come available.....and they have more things to offer then you, who don't really have anything aside from PHX picks. CamJo is already overpaid-by a lot imo and Mikal, while nice is nowhere near the same value as where he was last yr this time. Claxton is a FA-soon to be overpaid? Simmons is negative value.

I just don't what you have to offer in trade aside from PHX picks. Honestly, what you should have done was trade Mikal to HOU for your picks back and Jalen Green when that was offered, that could've given you assets enough make something big happen. You did not do that though.

[DowJones]

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Assuming there are reasonable deals that make sense for Cleveland, I assume Garland is moved if Mitchell returns.

[K_chile22]

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Assuming there are reasonable deals that make sense for Cleveland, I assume Garland is moved if Mitchell returns.

This is so weird to me
Guess they don't get along behind the scenes?

[jbk1234]

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Assuming there are reasonable deals that make sense for Cleveland, I assume Garland is moved if Mitchell returns.

This is so weird to me
Guess they don't get along behind the scenes?

I strongly suspect they're trying to get him to L.A. where he can blossom as the next Lakers star, without having to share the ball with Mitchell, and LBJ could come back to Cleveland without having to take much, if any, of a paycut.

[jayjaysee]

It’s probably been done in this thread.. But how many firsts to get from Cam Johnson to Garland?

Once Lauri and Mitchell are extended, you start looking at.. all in offer on Trae. Or what for Brooklyn? Garland is an interesting option to me and likely cheaper and locked up on a 25% max.

For Cleveland side, Cam seems a good fit. Maybe you push to get one of DFS/Sharpe as well as “..” picks.. maybe you push to get the other Cam?.. maybe you just push for “….” picks and go find the other piece you want?

[jbk1234]

It’s probably been done in this thread.. But how many firsts to get from Cam Johnson to Garland?

Once Lauri and Mitchell are extended, you start looking at.. all in offer on Trae. Or what for Brooklyn? Garland is an interesting option to me and likely cheaper and locked up on a 25% max.

For Cleveland side, Cam seems a good fit. Maybe you push to get one of DFS/Sharpe as well as “..” picks.. maybe you push to get the other Cam?.. maybe you just push for “….” picks and go find the other piece you want?

I'm pretty meh on Cam Johnson. I think $25M is a lot for a three point specialist off the bench. They tried to make it work with him as a starter and couldn't due to his defense, and the Nets were a team with a number of good defenders.

[jayjaysee]

It’s probably been done in this thread.. But how many firsts to get from Cam Johnson to Garland?

Once Lauri and Mitchell are extended, you start looking at.. all in offer on Trae. Or what for Brooklyn? Garland is an interesting option to me and likely cheaper and locked up on a 25% max.

For Cleveland side, Cam seems a good fit. Maybe you push to get one of DFS/Sharpe as well as “..” picks.. maybe you push to get the other Cam?.. maybe you just push for “….” picks and go find the other piece you want?

I'm pretty meh on Cam Johnson. I think $25M is a lot for a three point specialist off the bench. They tried to make it work with him as a starter and couldn't due to his defense, and the Nets were a team with a number of good defenders.

Salaries can be matched in other ways, just thought Cam being locked up would be a plus on a not so terrible flat contract..

But there’s plenty of other ways to match salaries since Garland is a small max..

[mademan]

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Assuming there are reasonable deals that make sense for Cleveland, I assume Garland is moved if Mitchell returns.

This is so weird to me
Guess they don't get along behind the scenes?

more likely they think the fit doesnt work. If Garland wants to make all-star teams and all-nba teams, he cant be the 2nd best guard on his own team

I dont think he's all-nba caliber but ultimately the best thing for his career would be a split up from Dmitch. He's gone from one of the best up and coming young players in the game to an after thought since they got mitchell. I wouldnt judge him harshly for wanting out

[Euphonetiks]

more likely they think the fit doesnt work. If Garland wants to make all-star teams and all-nba teams, he cant be the 2nd best guard on his own team

I dont think he's all-nba caliber but ultimately the best thing for his career would be a split up from Dmitch. He's gone from one of the best up and coming young players in the game to an after thought since they got mitchell. I wouldnt judge him harshly for wanting out

It seems like Klutch wants Garland with the ball in his hands orchestrating an offense. Not sure what team would be willing to hand over the reins like that.

[mademan]

more likely they think the fit doesnt work. If Garland wants to make all-star teams and all-nba teams, he cant be the 2nd best guard on his own team

I dont think he's all-nba caliber but ultimately the best thing for his career would be a split up from Dmitch. He's gone from one of the best up and coming young players in the game to an after thought since they got mitchell. I wouldnt judge him harshly for wanting out

It seems like Klutch wants Garland with the ball in his hands orchestrating an offense. Not sure what team would be willing to hand over the reins like that.

At the very least not next to a star guard. Beside Zion on the Pel's gets him better numbers, or on SAS or the Raptors...etc. There's a lot of teams where he'd get better numbers and more opportunities

chit, he'd probably get better numbers in LA playing the Dlo role, but better.

[jbk1234]

more likely they think the fit doesnt work. If Garland wants to make all-star teams and all-nba teams, he cant be the 2nd best guard on his own team

I dont think he's all-nba caliber but ultimately the best thing for his career would be a split up from Dmitch. He's gone from one of the best up and coming young players in the game to an after thought since they got mitchell. I wouldnt judge him harshly for wanting out

It seems like Klutch wants Garland with the ball in his hands orchestrating an offense. Not sure what team would be willing to hand over the reins like that.

Because Garland made the all star team, at 22, the last time he was handed the reins? He averaged 8.6 assist with Okoro as his backcourt running mate?

[DowJones]

It’s probably been done in this thread.. But how many firsts to get from Cam Johnson to Garland?

Once Lauri and Mitchell are extended, you start looking at.. all in offer on Trae. Or what for Brooklyn? Garland is an interesting option to me and likely cheaper and locked up on a 25% max.

For Cleveland side, Cam seems a good fit. Maybe you push to get one of DFS/Sharpe as well as “..” picks.. maybe you push to get the other Cam?.. maybe you just push for “….” picks and go find the other piece you want?

The problem when it comes to draft picks and Cleveland is the Cavs are ready to run now. They won't value draft capital the same way a team like Brooklyn would. If the Cavs traded Garland for Cam, the 2027 PHX first, and the 2029 PHX first, I don't think Mitchell would be happy. At that point the Cavs would take a step back.

How about Bridges for Garland? The fit works for Cleveland. The question for Brooklyn is who do you think would help attract a star in free agency come 2025---Garland at 25 or Bridges at 29? If you give the keys to Garland and let him run, I could easily see him being a 23pt/8 assist guy on 48-40-85 shooting type of shooting numbers.

[Bornstellar]

Garland would be an interesting target for SA, though I'd rather they just draft Dillingham and see if he can reach his potential instead.

If they decide that they'd prefer to trade for a more established player though, something like Keldon Johnson, Zach Collins, 8th pick, 2025 pick (top 5 protected), and the 2025 top-10 protected Chicago pick. Even that feels a bit much though

[Residual-Heat]

To me the two destinations that make the most sense are SAS and the Pelicans. Pelicans for BI. Spurs trade probably needs a third team.

[jayjaysee]

The problem when it comes to draft picks and Cleveland is the Cavs are ready to run now. They won't value draft capital the same way a team like Brooklyn would. If the Cavs traded Garland for Cam, the 2027 PHX first, and the 2029 PHX first, I don't think Mitchell would be happy. At that point the Cavs would take a step back..

For Cleveland side, Cam seems a good fit. Maybe you push to get one of DFS/Sharpe as well as “..” picks.. maybe you push to get the other Cam?.. maybe you just push for “….” picks and go find the other piece you want?

This is was not a final idea at all. Just didn’t want to hear I overshot it or undershot it and bicker over the picks. I have no idea what fair is and I’m sure I’d be told Garland is a star young point guard and costs “…..” while also being told the 2027 Phoenix first will be number one and used on Alijah, who will be better his rookie year than Garland or his dad ever will be/was..

Brooklyn likely initially offers lesser picks and tries to make it up by adding Thomas or Sharpe or DFS.. Cleveland likely needs the higher upside firsts to turn Niang and/or Caris and/or Cam Johnson into the piece they actually want.