Ell Curry wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Ell Curry wrote:
The Wiz can drive down the price (already have by taking Bagley for 2 2nds) and there might be another 1-2 teams in the "give us a late first or 4 2nds for taking on Lonzo or whoever" market.
I think Bruce Brown and #19 for Vezenkov, Lyles, Duarte and #13 makes sense for both teams.
With the way Bruce finished the season, that really feels like neither pick should be involved. If anything Sacramento sending a lesser 2nd? Can't really see any of those guys worth moving in, or out, of the lottery.
I'd say Vezenkov and Duarte are very negative money (Lyles even, Brown slightly negative, but if you're over the cap and under the tax he gets to neutral), but I could absolutely see Toronto making my offer and Sacramento countering with a 2nd rounder.
With Ellis passing those perimeter guys, ultimately Sacramento goes from 20 meh Lyles minutes to probably 25 decent Brown minutes. Seems like the expectation with the #13 pick in this year's draft is a 5th starter or 6th man man type and the #19 pick maybe a 7th or 8th man, and that's about the same difference as Lyles being a 9th man (you'd want a guard, wing and bench guy ahead of him in the bench rotation and Lyles is both your 3rd centre and maybe backup PF on a solid bench, but maybe loses PF minutes if the backup 3 is good and him or the starting 3 can slide to backup 4) and Brown is solidly a 6th man, maybe 7th on teams where he fits badly (but 6th with Jokic probably means 6th with Sabonis but maybe 7th with Sabonis not being the shooter or passer Jokic is).
End of the day, Brown can play 20-25 minutes in a playoff series and really nobody else here can, and #13 to #19 in this draft isn't say #13 to #19 in next year's draft, where #13 might be a genuinely good starting 2 guard.
Definitely zero interest in trading down in the first round for Bruce Brown. A second maybe. But the offer is Huerter + 2nd for Bruce Brown. With the emergence of Keon, he's less of a need. I'd still take him as a backup wing, but nothing great. And this really only makes sense if Monk comes back, so I wouldn't even do this at the draft, it would be into free agency. My vision here would be that deal + resigning monk + trading Barnes + 13 + future picks for another starting forward.
Fox - Keon - Keegan - ??? - Sabonis
Monk - Brown - Lyles
That's the top 8.
As for your valuation of Sac players-
We absolutely would not value Lyles as negative. He's good enough to be in many teams top 8. Ifn anything he didn't get enough minutes, preferred him over Barnes. Solid size big who rebounds and shoots 3s making sub 10 million a year.
Duarte no real value, but he's not "very negative" he makes 6 million and is on an expiring deal. He tries on defense, and can occasionally get hot from 3. He's salary filler in any deal we make.
Sasha is interesting. Definitely don't see him as very negative either. Many posters on the board are still curious about what he can be. What we saw- he's smart, passes well, can hit the 3 ball above average, his defense isn't special but his IQ allows him to not be terrible. His value is in the eye of the team, but my guess is many teams would take him for free if they had the chance. Can never have too many shooters.
