Should TJD start vs Sabonis?

[jozef]

As I predicted the moment was too big for TJD

What the hell are you talking about?

Coaching staff wrongly assigned TJD to defend Harrison Barnes who camped on perimeter.
Wigs and Steph turned the ball over and Klay could not hit any jumpshot.
Was the moment too big for THEM?

Keegan Murray was big in the moment with his 8 3pters:
1 Dray sags off Sabonis who screens out Klay
2 Steph sags off Murray in the corner
3 Murray shoots behind Fox screen on TJD, Wigs is a bit late to switch (this one was tough shot)
4 Atkinson calls for Klay to sag into middle to distract Fox and CP3 sags off the corner and Fox finds Murray in the corner, Dray is too late there
5 after loose ball fight Wigs is late to closeout on Murray
6 Dray sags off and is late on Len's handoff to Murray
7 Dray sags off Lyles to help on possible Sabonis vs Moody mismatch and TJD rotates off Murray to Lyles
8 Dray desperately attempts to double on Fox so CP3 sags off Murray to Sabonis

Basically TJD was our only card to go over Kings but after other player's failure he got benched while Klay and Wigs played too long.

[EvanZ]

That was a load of nonsense bro.

[jozef]

Nonsense? Find a moment when it was too big for TJD.

[jozef]

Sabonis defended TJD and Fox! defended Dray... And we did not take an advantage of it.

It does suck that Kerr and Atkinson were not able to explore Kings inside vulnerability. No surprise however.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Nonsense? Find a moment when it was too big for TJD.

He had a bad pass that went to the ref and he bit on a Harrison Barnes pump fake. That's about it. Klay and Kuminga made more mistakes in a single possession than TJD made all game.

[whatisacenter]

The issue was not so much TJD as it was pairing him with Draymond. There was going to be an issue defensively and offensively no matter who guarded who.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I was a fan of trying to start him and Draymond together. It was certainly possible his inexperience would show, but both he and Podz have made a habit of rising to the occasion. In this case, he didn't. Hats off to Mike Brown for making the moves to keep him uncomfortable. Hardly the biggest issue yesterday, all in all. Sacramento may well just be a better team than us, and they were last night for sure.

[KevinMcreynolds]

he missed a couple of assignments and Kerr pulled him for the rest of the game. Klay missed assignments and Kerr does him a solid leaves him out there to keep chucking.

[HiRez]

he missed a couple of assignments and Kerr pulled him for the rest of the game. Klay missed assignments and Kerr does him a solid leaves him out there to keep chucking.

Yes, the mistake wasn't starting TJD, it was not having any faith in him for the rest of the game (not until it was too late) and Kerr reverting to leaning on his vets yet again when any small thing goes badly, who keep proving they are not able to be those guys anymore.

[whatisacenter]

he missed a couple of assignments and Kerr pulled him for the rest of the game. Klay missed assignments and Kerr does him a solid leaves him out there to keep chucking.

Yes, the mistake wasn't starting TJD, it was not having any faith in him for the rest of the game (not until it was too late) and Kerr reverting to leaning on his vets yet again when any small thing goes badly, who keep proving they are not able to be those guys anymore.

The mistake is pairing him with Draymond. It worked ok down the stretch of the regular season but it was never going to work in the postseason. Draymond pretty much has to be a 5 at this point.

[KevinMcreynolds]

he missed a couple of assignments and Kerr pulled him for the rest of the game. Klay missed assignments and Kerr does him a solid leaves him out there to keep chucking.

Yes, the mistake wasn't starting TJD, it was not having any faith in him for the rest of the game (not until it was too late) and Kerr reverting to leaning on his vets yet again when any small thing goes badly, who keep proving they are not able to be those guys anymore.

on one inbound, Klay just spaced out and stopped paying attention to Murray and they threw it directly to him for a wide open three. If Lester or Moody or Gui did that they'd be pulled on the next whistle.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The issue was not so much TJD as it was pairing him with Draymond. There was going to be an issue defensively and offensively no matter who guarded who.

The defense was fine and offense were both fine with TJD and Draymond. The issue is that Klay was 0-5 with TJD and Curry was a decoy. Klay was also getting roasted on D. Despite that they were only outscored 16-21 with Draymond and TJD together. If you swap Klay for Moody and let Curry cook this is a completely different game.

TJD+Green was never the issue. We've been begging for more Moody and TJD all season and Kerr lost this by continuing to trust Klay and Looney.

[EvanZ]

TJD was a **** show to start the game. Everyone saw it guys. SVG literally called him out immediately. You know basketball better than SVG? I don't think you do.

[whatisacenter]

The issue was not so much TJD as it was pairing him with Draymond. There was going to be an issue defensively and offensively no matter who guarded who.

The defense was fine and offense were both fine with TJD and Draymond. The issue is that Klay was 0-5 with TJD and Curry was a decoy. Klay was also getting roasted on D. Despite that they were only outscored 16-21 with Draymond and TJD together. If you swap Klay for Moody and let Curry cook this is a completely different game.

TJD+Green was never the issue. We've been begging for more Moody and TJD all season and Kerr lost this by continuing to trust Klay and Looney.

Face the facts, Draymond and TJD were outplayed by Barnes and Sabonis.

[jozef]

TJD was a **** show to start the game. Everyone saw it guys. SVG literally called him out immediately. You know basketball better than SVG? I don't think you do.

Go through possessions and see there was one bad pass.
So find what you and SVG saw.

TJD was the only hope to get defensive stops. It was obvious that Wigs struggles and Klay is off. Steph just went through motions and turned the ball overa lot. Podz brought the hustle and Mood fitted well. JK mixed up good plays and bonehead plays. With Loon and CP3 there is always a giveaway cause of limted athleticism.

[jozef]

And find a reason why put a shotblocker TJD on stretch 4 Barnes .
Find a reason why not use a mismatch of 6-3 Fox defending our power forward Dray.

[whatisacenter]

And find a reason why put a shotblocker TJD on stretch 4 Barnes .
Find a reason why not use a mismatch of 6-3 Fox defending our power forward Dray.

Warriors started TJD and Draymond so one of them had to guard Barnes. The team wanted Draymond on Sabonis to be closer to the paint to help others defensively. It didn't work but neither would have putting Draymond on Barnes.

They should have started JK instead who did a great job on Barnes and kept Draymond on Sabonis.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The issue was not so much TJD as it was pairing him with Draymond. There was going to be an issue defensively and offensively no matter who guarded who.

The defense was fine and offense were both fine with TJD and Draymond. The issue is that Klay was 0-5 with TJD and Curry was a decoy. Klay was also getting roasted on D. Despite that they were only outscored 16-21 with Draymond and TJD together. If you swap Klay for Moody and let Curry cook this is a completely different game.

TJD+Green was never the issue. We've been begging for more Moody and TJD all season and Kerr lost this by continuing to trust Klay and Looney.

Face the facts, Draymond and TJD were outplayed by Barnes and Sabonis.

What facts? TJD and Green looked good against them. The Kings wouldn't even attack TJD's side of the court when he was guarding Barnes in the corner. They were actively avoiding him and attacking Klay.

Let's see a breakdown of the start of the game:

-Draymond Green hits open 3 pointer
-Murray 3 over Klay
-Green feeds cutting TJD for 2
-Kings go after Klay again and Murray misses open 3
-Klay bring the ball up the court, TJD sets screen and then Klay misses a mid range shot in a double team
-TJD bites on Barnes pump fake, Green picks him up and TJD switches to Sabonis. Barnes cuts and then hits an open Murray for 3 in the corner because Curry was sleeping.
-TJD sets of ball screen for Curry, Green gets it to Curry and then Curry hits an open Wiggins for 3.
-Fox misses tough jumper over Wiggins with TJD/Green patrolling the paint.
-Sabonis fouls Wiggins. No call. Warriors ball, but it's overturned.
-Sabonis sets screen for Murray and hands off the ball to attack Klay again. Green switches onto Murray. Murray drives on Green and misses layup.
-TJD sets screen for Wiggins. Wiggins misses layup.
-Fox turns ball over in transition when facing Green.
-TJD sets screen for Curry. Curry gets doubled, hit Wiggins, Wiggins swings it to Klay in the corner. Klay drives and misses his lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have pushed TJD. Klay gets the ball back and misses a 3.
-Fox sets of ball screen on TJD and Sabonis hits Murray for a 3 in transition.
-Draymond air balls corner 3.
-Green forces Barnes to miss layup. Fox blows past Klay and gets a outback dunk.
-TJD passes ball to ref. This was his big mistake.
-Murray beat Klay again and gets a shot at the basket (Green helped and contested and TJD was on the other side of the basket with Barnes).
-Green miss s lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have been holding TJD again.
-Murray misses open 3 in transition (Klay is closest man). Offensive foul on Ellis.

TJD is taken out of game.

I did not see Barnes and Sabonis outplaying TJD and Green, but the Kings were attacking Klay with great success.

[jozef]

You want TJD to be closer to the paint and Dray on perimeter.
Barnes did not score on TJD. Barnes is a stretcher. Dray sagged off and whole concept was rightfully doomed. Murray, Barnes and Ellis hit 14 of 21 treys and Kings got 7 more offensive rebs.

[whatisacenter]

You want TJD to be closer to the paint and Dray on perimeter.
Barnes did not score on TJD. Barnes is a stretcher. Dray sagged off and whole concept was rightfully doomed. Murray, Barnes and Ellis hit 14 of 21 treys and Kings got 7 more offensive rebs.

Neither Draymond nor TJD can guard on the perimeter. should have started JK.