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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#221 » by Onus » Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:45 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:We should not see 2 small guards.
We should not see dray as the best 3 pt shooter on the floor.
We should not see jk as a primary perimeter defender (poa or scrambler)
We should not see wiggs as a pf.
We should not see confusion about whether to play slow or fast.

All things kerr did last game that was wrong, but might be stubborn enough to do again.

I have a feeling he's going to start klay and cp3 this game. I'm just not sure if he brings wiggins off the bench or if TJD is off the bench. I kind of feel like it'll be CP3/Klay/JK/Dray/TJD.

I have a feeling this is going to be another loss and damn losing 2 in a row to SAS would be crushing.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#222 » by cpower » Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:46 pm

Onus wrote:I'm curious does anyone think we win tonight?

better chance to win but we narrowly lost by 8 points
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#223 » by Crazy-Canuck » Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:55 pm

Onus wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:We should not see 2 small guards.
We should not see dray as the best 3 pt shooter on the floor.
We should not see jk as a primary perimeter defender (poa or scrambler)
We should not see wiggs as a pf.
We should not see confusion about whether to play slow or fast.

All things kerr did last game that was wrong, but might be stubborn enough to do again.

I have a feeling he's going to start klay and cp3 this game. I'm just not sure if he brings wiggins off the bench or if TJD is off the bench. I kind of feel like it'll be CP3/Klay/JK/Dray/TJD.

I have a feeling this is going to be another loss and damn losing 2 in a row to SAS would be crushing.


I think Klay should start. That unit needs a viable threat out there. He's defense has looked better on ball, so there's that. The problem becomes our 3 worst rebounders, help defenders, and 3 pt shot contesters share the floor. Tjd and dray will need to be fantastic.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#224 » by xdrta+ » Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:26 pm

Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#225 » by Onus » Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:38 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Onus wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:We should not see 2 small guards.
We should not see dray as the best 3 pt shooter on the floor.
We should not see jk as a primary perimeter defender (poa or scrambler)
We should not see wiggs as a pf.
We should not see confusion about whether to play slow or fast.

All things kerr did last game that was wrong, but might be stubborn enough to do again.

I have a feeling he's going to start klay and cp3 this game. I'm just not sure if he brings wiggins off the bench or if TJD is off the bench. I kind of feel like it'll be CP3/Klay/JK/Dray/TJD.

I have a feeling this is going to be another loss and damn losing 2 in a row to SAS would be crushing.


I think Klay should start. That unit needs a viable threat out there. He's defense has looked better on ball, so there's that. The problem becomes our 3 worst rebounders, help defenders, and 3 pt shot contesters share the floor. Tjd and dray will need to be fantastic.

I do think Klay needs to start. I don't think TJD should start though. I think it's an either or between TJD and JK.

I'd probably start Podz, Klay, JK, Wiggins, Dray while Steph is out.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#226 » by Onus » Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:39 pm

xdrta+ wrote:Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.

It started at 6.5 it's been bet down to 4.5 ...
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#227 » by xdrta+ » Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:52 pm

Onus wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.

It started at 6.5 it's been bet down to 4.5 ...


Wemby effect.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#228 » by cpower » Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:11 pm

xdrta+ wrote:Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.

didnt we just lost to them at home without Wemby?
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#229 » by xdrta+ » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:15 pm

cpower wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.

didnt we just lost to them at home without Wemby?


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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#230 » by cpower » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:16 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
cpower wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:Warriors are 5.5 pt favorites. Wemby coming back from an ankle will probably play about 20 minutes. Does Pop really care about winning this one? Warriors could easily bounce back.

didnt we just lost to them at home without Wemby?


This is not news.

just prepare for the worst man, this team 8-)
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#231 » by xdrta+ » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:18 pm

cpower wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
cpower wrote:didnt we just lost to them at home without Wemby?


This is not news.

just prepare for the worst man, this team 8-)


You're always prepared (and predicting) the worst.
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#232 » by cpower » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:20 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
cpower wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
This is not news.

just prepare for the worst man, this team 8-)


You're always prepared (and predicting) the worst.

well i tried...still did not predict we would lose to boston by 50 and then lost to bulls and spurs.. i need to do better
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#233 » by CDM_Stats » Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:44 pm

Onus wrote:Most other offenses run isolation, pick and roll, drive and kick and dray isn’t really suited for those types of offenses. How many superstars are willing to give up the ball and let dray initiate offense?

The defense will obviously translate.

If we were a .500 team without Steph then you’d have a point. We just lost to one of the worst teams in the nba. A team that hasn’t won when wemby wasn’t playing and it wasn’t particularly close. Hell this year without cp and dray Steph was able to keep us close to .500 and Kerr was really searching but we’ve never had a loss as bad as last night. Even with kd we were a slightly better than .500 team.

Draymond is very important. Has always been our 2nd most important player. But he would struggle in a lot of other situations. Luckily he’s in this situation where he thrives.


Dray moves well off-ball, sets screens well, does drive and kick... he does it on low volume here because its not the offense here. But which of those is he not efficient at, besides isolation? And I dont think any team would ever ask for him to run iso any more than they'd ask Ben Wallace

Basing a whole take off one game where a team shot the lights out and the Warriors didnt isn't a dataset... and most teams would be able to use Draymond well. Its not hard to make high IQ players fit an established system. The problem is that casual fans always equate Draymond to some role player just because he doesnt score. Philly and Denver made that mistake too, and thats how Iguodala dropped into our laps. Its why we don't critique Steph's ability to patrol the paint defensively.. because what sane person would put him in that situation? Play to strengths, and Dray does that better than most in the league. Majority of coaches would find a way to use him - its not like Kerr saw something special in a cast off. That's GP2, if anyone - because he actually would struggle in most systems but can thrive in the Warriors system
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Re: Game 63, Spurs at Warriors, 5:30 PM PST 

Post#234 » by Onus » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:06 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
Onus wrote:Most other offenses run isolation, pick and roll, drive and kick and dray isn’t really suited for those types of offenses. How many superstars are willing to give up the ball and let dray initiate offense?

The defense will obviously translate.

If we were a .500 team without Steph then you’d have a point. We just lost to one of the worst teams in the nba. A team that hasn’t won when wemby wasn’t playing and it wasn’t particularly close. Hell this year without cp and dray Steph was able to keep us close to .500 and Kerr was really searching but we’ve never had a loss as bad as last night. Even with kd we were a slightly better than .500 team.

Draymond is very important. Has always been our 2nd most important player. But he would struggle in a lot of other situations. Luckily he’s in this situation where he thrives.


Dray moves well off-ball, sets screens well, does drive and kick... he does it on low volume here because its not the offense here. But which of those is he not efficient at, besides isolation? And I dont think any team would ever ask for him to run iso any more than they'd ask Ben Wallace

Basing a whole take off one game where a team shot the lights out and the Warriors didnt isn't a dataset... and most teams would be able to use Draymond well. Its not hard to make high IQ players fit an established system. The problem is that casual fans always equate Draymond to some role player just because he doesnt score. Philly and Denver made that mistake too, and thats how Iguodala dropped into our laps. Its why we don't critique Steph's ability to patrol the paint defensively.. because what sane person would put him in that situation? Play to strengths, and Dray does that better than most in the league. Majority of coaches would find a way to use him - its not like Kerr saw something special in a cast off. That's GP2, if anyone - because he actually would struggle in most systems but can thrive in the Warriors system

He doesn't shoot well. He doesn't drive well. He doesn't finish over length well. He does set great screens. His drive and kicks are usually based off of Steph or Klay's gravity. His defender leans one way because they're running towards him and then he uses that gravity to drive by players. But without someone else making that opening, I do not expect much when he's driving against a set defense.

Kerr didn't see anything in Dray. He lucked out that Lee got hurt and Dray was just the next man up. Dray is really good in our system, but he has serious limitations as a player. Playing next to the greatest shooters ever really helps alleviate some of those limitations.
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