Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul

cpower · Post #521 » by **cpower** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:08 pm

CP's was good for us, our bench was amazing all year, even in the playin game the benches were fine.

Problem is the starters, Klay/Wiggins killed the team most of the time. As a result those Curry/Green mins were not as good. And our closing lineup are trash....if you run it back all the benches and make the starters top 5 in the league we will be very good.

CP3 is not the problem, at least not top 5 problem on this team.

Twinkie defense · Post #522 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:19 pm

Scotty2Hotty wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Warriors were better this season than last. CP3 is better than Poole.

10th seed and one & done. Maybe we can bring CP3 back, get the 12th seed and it'll be ever a better year.

Warriors had a better record in a better conference than last year. Jordan Poole doesn't help anything here, in fact he hurts the rebuild. While CP3 helps the rebuild.

Twinkie defense · Post #523 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:22 pm

According to NBA players: Who’s the league’s most overrated player?

1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jordan Poole

CDM_Stats · Post #524 » by **CDM_Stats** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:26 am

Twinkie defense wrote:According to NBA players: Who’s the league’s most overrated player?

1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jordan Poole

The only way Jordan Poole is still overrated is if they took a straw poll of one person and he's in this thread :dontknow:

Everyone and their brother knows the guy is a bench player

Onus · Post #525 » by **Onus** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:52 am

Twinkie defense wrote:According to NBA players: Who’s the league’s most overrated player?

1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jordan Poole

Players really hate on Gobert. They think he’s just a volleyball player. It’s hilarious watching him lock up Kd even though he has no skills.

ILOVEIT · Post #526 » by **ILOVEIT** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:01 am

Context matters.

Poole was VERY good offensively for the Warriors. Way better than CP could be. WAY BETTER.

BTW, I guarantee you that if Warriors traded Klay three year ago to be the number one option for the Wizards...he would have looked like crap too.

The only thing I'm happy about with the trade is the money. But the reason why the money looked bad is directly related to Draymond F'ing up Poole here....

Durant...gone.
Poole...a young talented scorer that HAD to play well for Curry to get his forth...also screwed up by Draymond BS.

There is no way to say for sure Poole wouldn't have become a better player in a PROPER Warrior context.

superunknown · Post #527 » by **superunknown** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:17 am

context matters.
without context any player evalution is pretty much useless.

Post #528 » by **Chris Porter's Hair** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 3:59 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Context matters.

Poole was VERY good offensively for the Warriors. Way better than CP could be. WAY BETTER.

BTW, I guarantee you that if Warriors traded Klay three year ago to be the number one option for the Wizards...he would have looked like crap too.

The only thing I'm happy about with the trade is the money. But the reason why the money looked bad is directly related to Draymond F'ing up Poole here....

Durant...gone.
Poole...a young talented scorer that HAD to play well for Curry to get his forth...also screwed up by Draymond BS.

There is no way to say for sure Poole wouldn't have become a better player in a PROPER Warrior context.

Which was the VERY good part? The nonstop turnovers, or the low percentage volume shooting?

Poole scored a lot of points, but CP3 was hugely stabilizing to the offense. Poole was horrific on defense, while CP3 was just below average. As many have said, the biggest problem with CP3 was that Kerr kept putting him in lineups that were dysfunctional. When it was just CP3 stabilizing an otherwise inexperienced crazy offense, I was totally fine with him.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #529 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:41 pm

superunknown wrote:context matters.
without context any player evalution is pretty much useless.

Here’s the context: A basketball court.

He’s terrible when he’s on one.

Scotty2Hotty · Post #530 » by **Scotty2Hotty** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:56 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
CP3 was better offensively and defensively than Poole this year to boot

Wrong yet again.

Paul 9.2 PPG

Poole 17.4 PPG

Clearly you have mastered basketball analysis and are just flexing on the rest of us

Best passing PG in his generation.

Nope. Just 8.2 PPG better offensively.

And since Paul can no longer play solid defense, you’re wrong yet again on both accounts.

Scotty2Hotty · Post #531 » by **Scotty2Hotty** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:57 pm

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
CP3 was better offensively and defensively than Poole this year to boot

Wrong yet again.

Paul 9.2 PPG

Poole 17.4 PPG

So offensive value is just points per game?

Bless your heart.

Nope. Just 8.2 PPG better offensively.

I’m blessed. Hope you are too.

Scotty2Hotty · Post #532 » by **Scotty2Hotty** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:05 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Warriors were better this season than last. CP3 is better than Poole.

10th seed and one & done. Maybe we can bring CP3 back, get the 12th seed and it'll be ever a better year.

Warriors had a better record in a better conference than last year. Jordan Poole doesn't help anything here, in fact he hurts the rebuild. While CP3 helps the rebuild.

A soon-to-be 39-year old averaging 9.2 PPG playing below-average defense that isn’t a fit for the offense the Warriors/Kerr runs helps a rebuild? Dude has 1, maybe 2 seasons remaining in his fast-declining career. How is that helping a rebuild?

billinder33 · Post #533 » by **billinder33** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:54 pm

Is it ok if I dislike the thought of both Knuckehead and Geritol-3 on the Ws?

In a world where all things are equal, Paul at 38 is still a much better basketball player than JP... if you like winning, that is. But JP's style of play (including all the chucking and sloppy turnovers) is certainly a better fit for the Ws system.

ILOVEIT · Post #534 » by **ILOVEIT** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:01 am

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Context matters.

Poole was VERY good offensively for the Warriors. Way better than CP could be. WAY BETTER.

BTW, I guarantee you that if Warriors traded Klay three year ago to be the number one option for the Wizards...he would have looked like crap too.

The only thing I'm happy about with the trade is the money. But the reason why the money looked bad is directly related to Draymond F'ing up Poole here....

Durant...gone.
Poole...a young talented scorer that HAD to play well for Curry to get his forth...also screwed up by Draymond BS.

There is no way to say for sure Poole wouldn't have become a better player in a PROPER Warrior context.

Which was the VERY good part? The nonstop turnovers, or the low percentage volume shooting?

Poole scored a lot of points, but CP3 was hugely stabilizing to the offense. Poole was horrific on defense, while CP3 was just below average. As many have said, the biggest problem with CP3 was that Kerr kept putting him in lineups that were dysfunctional. When it was just CP3 stabilizing an otherwise inexperienced crazy offense, I was totally fine with him.

JP 88% FT, 19 pts, 4 assists on 2.5 TO for his last two years. (35% on 3s)
Curry 91%, 25 pts, 6 assists on 3 TO for those same years. (40% on 3s)

CP 82%, 9 pts, 6 assists on 1.3 TO 58 games played.

So yes....way better. And if playing 82 games with Poole's stats vs 58 played with CP's stats doesn't matter to you then good luck. Poole was critical in replacing Curry while he was out and he helped the Warriors through the playoffs and helped dominate the Celtics. All that is fact.

ILOVEIT · Post #535 » by **ILOVEIT** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:04 am

Scotty2Hotty wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
10th seed and one & done. Maybe we can bring CP3 back, get the 12th seed and it'll be ever a better year.

Warriors had a better record in a better conference than last year. Jordan Poole doesn't help anything here, in fact he hurts the rebuild. While CP3 helps the rebuild.

A soon-to-be 39-year old averaging 9.2 PPG playing below-average defense that isn’t a fit for the offense the Warriors/Kerr runs helps a rebuild? Dude has 1, maybe 2 seasons remaining in his fast-declining career. How is that helping a rebuild?

I agree that Poole with a young rebuilding core would be a mistake. But CP is completely done at this point. Please...please can we forget having that old as F guy trying to run a pick on this team!!!

superunknown · Post #536 » by **superunknown** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:06 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
superunknown wrote:context matters.
without context any player evalution is pretty much useless.

Here’s the context: A basketball court.

He’s terrible when he’s on one.

you mean klay right?

KevinMcreynolds · Post #537 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:52 pm

superunknown wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
superunknown wrote:context matters.
without context any player evalution is pretty much useless.

Here’s the context: A basketball court.

He’s terrible when he’s on one.

you mean klay right?

even no defense playin, no rebounding, bad passing, washed baddie chuck Klay is twice the player Poole is

Twinkie defense · Post #538 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:00 pm

Scotty2Hotty wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
10th seed and one & done. Maybe we can bring CP3 back, get the 12th seed and it'll be ever a better year.

Warriors had a better record in a better conference than last year. Jordan Poole doesn't help anything here, in fact he hurts the rebuild. While CP3 helps the rebuild.

A soon-to-be 39-year old averaging 9.2 PPG playing below-average defense that isn’t a fit for the offense the Warriors/Kerr runs helps a rebuild? Dude has 1, maybe 2 seasons remaining in his fast-declining career. How is that helping a rebuild?

By having his salary go POOF or get traded for someone who can help the team win.

Twinkie defense · Post #539 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:03 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:CP is completely done at this point. Please...please can we forget having that old as F guy trying to run a pick on this team!!!

Dude has a $30 mil non-guaranteed contract! How beautiful is that?

Scotty2Hotty · Post #540 » by **Scotty2Hotty** » Wed May 1, 2024 1:26 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
Scotty2Hotty wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Warriors had a better record in a better conference than last year. Jordan Poole doesn't help anything here, in fact he hurts the rebuild. While CP3 helps the rebuild.

A soon-to-be 39-year old averaging 9.2 PPG playing below-average defense that isn’t a fit for the offense the Warriors/Kerr runs helps a rebuild? Dude has 1, maybe 2 seasons remaining in his fast-declining career. How is that helping a rebuild?

By having his salary go POOF or get traded for someone who can help the team win.

I’ll ask the same question I asked last Summer…why did we not pick up a younger, less expensive PG instead of Paul?