RealGM

what a sign anuoby for the knicks. defensively he's been a game changer for them.
compliments to our FO, meyers first but also dunleavy. dubs had the pieces to trade for him, chose not too. compliments.
but ofc the coaching staff deserves most of the blame for the last 2 lousy easons not the FO....

If you want a good laugh, some people think we should be saving the Suns from the Beal contract on the Trade board.

Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

Who are you targeting in free agency?

Onus wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

Who are you targeting in free agency?

I dunno? Maybe PG?

whatisacenter wrote:

Onus wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

Who are you targeting in free agency?

I dunno? Maybe PG?

PG is old as dirt as well ...

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

I'm not an expert but a general idea is:

Cap is 141m, which we would need to be under if we want to sign someone outright without using the 12m MLE or a smaller exemption type.

If we renounce Klay and waive CP3, that puts us at 144m. But thats only with 10 players, so the part I'm not as versed in is the cap holds that vet min, rookie deals, etc would count towards... but in general the point is we are still over the cap but under Lux Tax of 171m.

If we then traded Wiggins for pure cap relief, in the form of a draft pick to a team with cap space.... that gets us to 117m with 9 players not including those potential cap holds mentioned before.

Could also waive Loon to free up about 5m. Could try to restructure GP2 to keep him a few more years and lower the annual by a couple million.

Thats around 110m with 8 players. Under the 141m cap but not enough for a max player like PG. Plenty for 1 or 2 good players though. And would still have the 12m MLE.

I think the realistic part to mention is that trading Wiggins for cap is more than likely to make sure we can sign Klay while staying under lux tax. I find it very unlikely they let CP3 and Klay walk AND trade Wiggins for cap space. I'd be open to it though and have proposed a few plans with that happening.

TB wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

I'm not an expert but a general idea is:

Cap is 141m, which we would need to be under if we want to sign someone outright without using the 12m MLE or a smaller exemption type.

If we renounce Klay and waive CP3, that puts us at 144m. But thats only with 10 players, so the part I'm not as versed in is the cap holds that vet min, rookie deals, etc would count towards... but in general the point is we are still over the cap but under Lux Tax of 171m.

If we then traded Wiggins for pure cap relief, in the form of a draft pick to a team with cap space.... that gets us to 117m with 9 players not including those potential cap holds mentioned before.

Could also waive Loon to free up about 5m. Could try to restructure GP2 to keep him a few more years and lower the annual by a couple million.

Thats around 110m with 8 players. Under the 141m cap but not enough for a max player like PG. Plenty for 1 or 2 good players though. And would still have the 12m MLE.

I think the realistic part to mention is that trading Wiggins for cap is more than likely to make sure we can sign Klay while staying under lux tax. I find it very unlikely they let CP3 and Klay walk AND trade Wiggins for cap space. I'd be open to it though and have proposed a few plans with that happening.

and Steph actually asked the f/o if him taking a discount on his contract would help.

DevinVassell wrote:

TB wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Question for capologists - how much cap space could we realistically free up (if any) this summer if we wanted to go after someone in free agency? I mean by losing Klay, CP3, shipping Wiggins off, whatever other shenanigans

I'm not an expert but a general idea is:

Cap is 141m, which we would need to be under if we want to sign someone outright without using the 12m MLE or a smaller exemption type.

If we renounce Klay and waive CP3, that puts us at 144m. But thats only with 10 players, so the part I'm not as versed in is the cap holds that vet min, rookie deals, etc would count towards... but in general the point is we are still over the cap but under Lux Tax of 171m.

If we then traded Wiggins for pure cap relief, in the form of a draft pick to a team with cap space.... that gets us to 117m with 9 players not including those potential cap holds mentioned before.

Could also waive Loon to free up about 5m. Could try to restructure GP2 to keep him a few more years and lower the annual by a couple million.

Thats around 110m with 8 players. Under the 141m cap but not enough for a max player like PG. Plenty for 1 or 2 good players though. And would still have the 12m MLE.

I think the realistic part to mention is that trading Wiggins for cap is more than likely to make sure we can sign Klay while staying under lux tax. I find it very unlikely they let CP3 and Klay walk AND trade Wiggins for cap space. I'd be open to it though and have proposed a few plans with that happening.

and Steph actually asked the f/o if him taking a discount on his contract would help.

If Steph did take a discount that just means it's more likely that Klay stays and we really don't want that. So good thing he didn't take a discount.

Onus wrote:

DevinVassell wrote:

TB wrote:
I'm not an expert but a general idea is:

Cap is 141m, which we would need to be under if we want to sign someone outright without using the 12m MLE or a smaller exemption type.

If we renounce Klay and waive CP3, that puts us at 144m. But thats only with 10 players, so the part I'm not as versed in is the cap holds that vet min, rookie deals, etc would count towards... but in general the point is we are still over the cap but under Lux Tax of 171m.

If we then traded Wiggins for pure cap relief, in the form of a draft pick to a team with cap space.... that gets us to 117m with 9 players not including those potential cap holds mentioned before.

Could also waive Loon to free up about 5m. Could try to restructure GP2 to keep him a few more years and lower the annual by a couple million.

Thats around 110m with 8 players. Under the 141m cap but not enough for a max player like PG. Plenty for 1 or 2 good players though. And would still have the 12m MLE.

I think the realistic part to mention is that trading Wiggins for cap is more than likely to make sure we can sign Klay while staying under lux tax. I find it very unlikely they let CP3 and Klay walk AND trade Wiggins for cap space. I'd be open to it though and have proposed a few plans with that happening.

and Steph actually asked the f/o if him taking a discount on his contract would help.

If Steph did take a discount that just means it's more likely that Klay stays and we really don't want that. So good thing he didn't take a discount.

That's some impressive mental gymnastics.

9/10

Turns out that 24 GSW FRP was a lotto pick.

JRoy wrote:Turns out that 24 GSW FRP was a lotto pick.

Enjoy the 14th pick. We won a title from this trade!

Onus wrote:

JRoy wrote:Turns out that 24 GSW FRP was a lotto pick.

Enjoy the 14th pick. We won a title from this trade!

That trade was totally worth it.

whatisacenter wrote:

Onus wrote:

JRoy wrote:Turns out that 24 GSW FRP was a lotto pick.

Enjoy the 14th pick. We won a title from this trade!

That trade was totally worth it.

Us too. Really need an infusion of talent.

Woj now saying that the Hawks are likely to shop Trae and keep DJM

CDM_Stats wrote:Woj now saying that the Hawks are likely to shop Trae and keep DJM

They didn't like the value that DJM was getting they're going to hate the value that Trae is going to bring back.

Onus wrote:

CDM_Stats wrote:Woj now saying that the Hawks are likely to shop Trae and keep DJM

They didn't like the value that DJM was getting they're going to hate the value that Trae is going to bring back.

Its a weird, fluid situation. They know that the 2 can't co-exist, but the prevailing thought was that Trae must clearly have more trade value to the rest of the league because he somewhat emulates Steph Curry. The difference is that Trae is super ball-dominant, and if you're going to be that, you'd better have a crazy good defense behind you and/or being ultra-efficient, which Trae is not. He's not a fatally flawed player by any means, but he is going to have to alter his game to be more off-ball if he's going to max out his impact. Instead of trying to be Steph, he'd be better off trying to be a better scoring Mark Price.. knock that usage down about 5-8% and try to spike his efficiency while doing so

A team like San Antonio would be perfect for him.. as would Orlando. But whats weird to me is that Trae is probably going to fit in less places than DJM, so I wouldnt expect Trae to have much more trade value unless people believe they are getting a star. And I dont think they really are, they are "only" getting a really good player who's been a #1 by default on a middle of the road team

CDM_Stats wrote:

Onus wrote:

CDM_Stats wrote:Woj now saying that the Hawks are likely to shop Trae and keep DJM

They didn't like the value that DJM was getting they're going to hate the value that Trae is going to bring back.

Its a weird, fluid situation. They know that the 2 can't co-exist, but the prevailing thought was that Trae must clearly have more trade value to the rest of the league because he somewhat emulates Steph Curry. The difference is that Trae is super ball-dominant, and if you're going to be that, you'd better have a crazy good defense behind you and/or being ultra-efficient, which Trae is not. He's not a fatally flawed player by any means, but he is going to have to alter his game to be more off-ball if he's going to max out his impact. Instead of trying to be Steph, he'd be better off trying to be a better scoring Mark Price.. knock that usage down about 5-8% and try to spike his efficiency while doing so

A team like San Antonio would be perfect for him.. as would Orlando. But whats weird to me is that Trae is probably going to fit in less places than DJM, so I wouldnt expect Trae to have much more trade value unless people believe they are getting a star. And I dont think they really are, they are "only" getting a really good player who's been a #1 by default on a middle of the road team

You'd want Trae on the Magic?

Onus wrote:

CDM_Stats wrote:

Onus wrote:They didn't like the value that DJM was getting they're going to hate the value that Trae is going to bring back.

Its a weird, fluid situation. They know that the 2 can't co-exist, but the prevailing thought was that Trae must clearly have more trade value to the rest of the league because he somewhat emulates Steph Curry. The difference is that Trae is super ball-dominant, and if you're going to be that, you'd better have a crazy good defense behind you and/or being ultra-efficient, which Trae is not. He's not a fatally flawed player by any means, but he is going to have to alter his game to be more off-ball if he's going to max out his impact. Instead of trying to be Steph, he'd be better off trying to be a better scoring Mark Price.. knock that usage down about 5-8% and try to spike his efficiency while doing so

A team like San Antonio would be perfect for him.. as would Orlando. But whats weird to me is that Trae is probably going to fit in less places than DJM, so I wouldnt expect Trae to have much more trade value unless people believe they are getting a star. And I dont think they really are, they are "only" getting a really good player who's been a #1 by default on a middle of the road team

You'd want Trae on the Magic?

If the Magic could swing a deal using guys like Black/Cole Anthony and a 1st or 2, I think thats a win-win. Magic could still re-sign Fultz (say at 15m/yr), and they'd do a lot to address their shooting problems. Hawks would likely need to re-route Black but he's still got upside as a light shooting/heavy creating PG.

Trae / Fultz
Suggs /
Franz / Jett / Houstan
Paolo / Isaac
WCJ / Mo

And they'd still have roughly 30m in cap to play with if they wanted to make the tragic mistake of adding Klay. Still think Hield would be better, and cheaper, and give them more space to get a 4/5 to account for Isaac's unreliability and Mo Wagners meh impact. But whatever.. I think it could have legs, if they wanted to go down that road

CDM_Stats wrote:

Onus wrote:

CDM_Stats wrote:
Its a weird, fluid situation. They know that the 2 can't co-exist, but the prevailing thought was that Trae must clearly have more trade value to the rest of the league because he somewhat emulates Steph Curry. The difference is that Trae is super ball-dominant, and if you're going to be that, you'd better have a crazy good defense behind you and/or being ultra-efficient, which Trae is not. He's not a fatally flawed player by any means, but he is going to have to alter his game to be more off-ball if he's going to max out his impact. Instead of trying to be Steph, he'd be better off trying to be a better scoring Mark Price.. knock that usage down about 5-8% and try to spike his efficiency while doing so

A team like San Antonio would be perfect for him.. as would Orlando. But whats weird to me is that Trae is probably going to fit in less places than DJM, so I wouldnt expect Trae to have much more trade value unless people believe they are getting a star. And I dont think they really are, they are "only" getting a really good player who's been a #1 by default on a middle of the road team

You'd want Trae on the Magic?

If the Magic could swing a deal using guys like Black/Cole Anthony and a 1st or 2, I think thats a win-win. Magic could still re-sign Fultz (say at 15m/yr), and they'd do a lot to address their shooting problems. Hawks would likely need to re-route Black but he's still got upside as a light shooting/heavy creating PG.

Trae / Fultz
Suggs /
Franz / Jett / Houstan
Paolo / Isaac
WCJ / Mo

And they'd still have roughly 30m in cap to play with if they wanted to make the tragic mistake of adding Klay. Still think Hield would be better, and cheaper, and give them more space to get a 4/5 to account for Isaac's unreliability and Mo Wagners meh impact. But whatever.. I think it could have legs, if they wanted to go down that road

You think Trae is going to fetch roughly 3 1sts? DJM wasn't getting that.