2024 JK Thread

[Sleepy51]

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[oaktownwarriors87]

I'm still not convinced that Kuminga isn't anything more than Bad Porn.

[CDM_Stats]

I'm still not convinced that Kuminga isn't anything more than Bad Porn.

Understandable, he hasn't shown much more than that. He has shown flashes of man defense this year (not anywhere near as good as prior 2 years), but the off-ball game eludes him. He also catches/surveys a lot, which is troubling for someone like him who needs to attack off that bounce. In both of those situations, eerily similar to Monta

On the plus side, he's attacking for rebounds a lot more, the 3pt shot creeped up to a credible enough 34% in December, and despite the disaster turnover show vs Miami, he still did better in December than November as it related to TOs, meaning the majority of the month was much more impressive

All that said, if he's not making teammates better (he isn't) and he's not able to play off ball (he hasn't), then what he does on-ball is magnified to an extreme amount. An average on-ball defender who just scores is a very valuable bench player, but players who score are often given every chance to learn the rest of the game, even if there are no signs its happening. It very rarely works out.. so the last thing on the plus side? We're 36 days away from the deadline

[cpower]

JK has 4 assists tonight that was huge..if he can break down great defense like Orlando thats great for the team..with the way he plays recently we should trade Wiggins Moody for someone like Caruso who can replace GP2

[marthafokker]

To be fair to JK, Kerr has been the problem. How do you learn on the bench, other than getting blisters on his butt?

Said part is, Moody getting same treatment now too.

[whatisacenter]

Jk is getting more consistent with extended playing time and that's what I wanted to see from him. The game seems to have started to slow down a bit for him with fewer out of control plays and more moving the ball and finding open shooters.

Seems like some posters have him under an unfair microscope.

[wco81]

To raise his offensive game, he's going to have to be more consistent on 3s, because he's going to get a lot of wide open looks whereas if they tried to contest it, he'd have more chances to get into the lane.

Also has to get his FT percentage up to over 75% at least because he's got to convert the fouls more consistently.

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[jozef]

To raise his offensive game, he's going to have to be more consistent on 3s, because he's going to get a lot of wide open looks whereas if they tried to contest it, he'd have more chances to get into the lane.

Shooting consistent 3s requires mental awareness he is not capable of yet.

[CDM_Stats]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

[GQ Hot Dog]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

Eventually it will be different. If there's one thing we know FOR SURE is that 21 year olds don't stay the same. They can't help but change and everything about Kuminga's attitude this season I'm loving so I believe the permanent changes will be positive.

[Onus]

The goal should be to raise his value to where he can be 2 1sts for Lauri or bridges.

[CDM_Stats]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

Eventually it will be different. If there's one thing we know FOR SURE is that 21 year olds don't stay the same. They can't help but change and everything about Kuminga's attitude this season I'm loving so I believe the permanent changes will be positive.

Thats not how that works.. its an archetype. I dont really consider attitude issues about players.. its irritating but not wholly relevant. The guy can score, everything else is extremely inconsistent. But its the same old thing... Monta will definitely improve, Poole will definitely improve.. and then what? If they dont, they become a huge negative value contract that drags the team down

Sure Kuminga could do this night in and night out.. but there's a lot of evidence that says he won't. There's one month left on the clock before the trade value diminishes, and about 3-4 months before a contract decision has to be made. He'd need to show that the one game intangibles stick when they play motion teams that use off-ball schemes.. otherwise the odds are heavily stacked against it being a good idea

[whatisacenter]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

He has had one stinker, the game against Miami with 6 turnovers, but other than that his play has been improving if you ask me.

He isn't fouling as much as he was.

He isn't forcing the ball as much as he was.

He is rebounding better

He is moving the ball and finding shooters better.

I was at the game last night as well and was concerned late in the game when he was guarding Franz off ball but he did a great job defensively down the stretch and Wagner only got loose when the game was essentially over.

[GQ Hot Dog]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

Eventually it will be different. If there's one thing we know FOR SURE is that 21 year olds don't stay the same. They can't help but change and everything about Kuminga's attitude this season I'm loving so I believe the permanent changes will be positive.

Thats not how that works.. its an archetype. I dont really consider attitude issues about players.. its irritating but not wholly relevant. The guy can score, everything else is extremely inconsistent. But its the same old thing... Monta will definitely improve, Poole will definitely improve.. and then what? If they dont, they become a huge negative value contract that drags the team down

Sure Kuminga could do this night in and night out.. but there's a lot of evidence that says he won't. There's one month left on the clock before the trade value diminishes, and about 3-4 months before a contract decision has to be made. He'd need to show that the one game intangibles stick when they play motion teams that use off-ball schemes

You defensive qualms are overstated. And while the comparison of Monta and Poole are accurate for one another, neither player are relevant comparisons to Kuminga. Kuminga is an eager and committed defender and a willing passer.

Monta and Poole were what they were because if they weren't a bucket, they didn't have the talent to meaningfully contribute in any other way. Kuminga doesn't have that problem. He changes the game when he comes in and it's clear the Warriors are the best version of their current selves when he's in the game, mistakes and all.

At this point, his trajectory is away from being traded because he makes us better and it's not deniable.

[KevinMcreynolds]

The goal should be to raise his value to where he can be 2 1sts for Lauri or bridges.

no way BK is giving up Mikal and I'm scared to trade for Lauri, he's peaking right now so we'd have to give up peak value

I still say JK will turn out to be our Aaron Gordon, and I'm fine with that. That's a good outcome for a #7 pick.

[CDM_Stats]

The goal should be to raise his value to where he can be 2 1sts for Lauri or bridges.

Dont know who the GM is in Brooklyn but I'm not sure Ainge would bite at all. Really doubt we can make a play for Lauri.. the Jazz have no centerpiece right now. I'd imagine the end goal for them is to get a centerpiece (or true foundational piece) or at least a couple marquee picks

I'd love to bring Lauri in, but if I'm MDJ, I'm terrified at how Kerr is using the current roster, and MJD likely has knowledge of Kerr's plans after this year. I've seen it mentioned here a couple times, and around, that Kerr might be wrapping it up soon. So paying a lot for a new toy, for a guy who's struggling with roster management and might not even be here next season, would certainly give me pause

[CDM_Stats]

Eventually it will be different. If there's one thing we know FOR SURE is that 21 year olds don't stay the same. They can't help but change and everything about Kuminga's attitude this season I'm loving so I believe the permanent changes will be positive.

Thats not how that works.. its an archetype. I dont really consider attitude issues about players.. its irritating but not wholly relevant. The guy can score, everything else is extremely inconsistent. But its the same old thing... Monta will definitely improve, Poole will definitely improve.. and then what? If they dont, they become a huge negative value contract that drags the team down

Sure Kuminga could do this night in and night out.. but there's a lot of evidence that says he won't. There's one month left on the clock before the trade value diminishes, and about 3-4 months before a contract decision has to be made. He'd need to show that the one game intangibles stick when they play motion teams that use off-ball schemes

You defensive qualms are overstated. And while the comparison of Monta and Poole are accurate for one another, neither player are relevant comparisons to Kuminga. Kuminga is an eager and committed defender and a willing passer.

Monta and Poole were what they were because if they weren't a bucket, they didn't have the talent to meaningfully contribute in any other way. Kuminga doesn't have that problem. He changes the game when he comes in and it's clear the Warriors are the best version of their current selves when he's in the game, mistakes and all.

At this point, his trajectory is away from being traded because he makes us better and it's not deniable.

you guys crack me up... overstated, sure. Just like all the others. I use data sets and form opinions from that man.. its consistent. It doesn't blow in the wind like you guys. So the claims of bias or unfair or whatever.. its just projecting.

Kuminga does change the game when he comes in, that's true. The second part? Not true at all. But I'm just biased, misinformed, unfair, etc etc.. its why I dont have logical consistency. Liking JK and hating Klay is a confusing stance but I'm seeing it often here

Correct me if Im wrong, but youre the one who always takes things that are definitely subjective opinion and call them undeniable? You gotta stop that man..

[CDM_Stats]

I still say JK will turn out to be our Aaron Gordon, and I'm fine with that. That's a good outcome for a #7 pick.

If they can get him on board with that, great.. but Gordon is an excellent off-ball defender too.

Problem is, would Gordon have ever done that in Orlando?

[CDM_Stats]

No but for real, THIS time it will be different

He has had one stinker, the game against Miami with 6 turnovers, but other than that his play has been improving if you ask me.

He isn't fouling as much as he was.

He isn't forcing the ball as much as he was.

He is rebounding better

He is moving the ball and finding shooters better.

I was at the game last night as well and was concerned late in the game when he was guarding Franz off ball but he did a great job defensively down the stretch and Wagner only got loose when the game was essentially over.

Not disagreeing, he's improving. And thats great. But whats the end game here? We're investing in a guy who's showing consistency at the level of Klay, and decision time is coming, for a team with no real margin of error for the short term, and no real plan for the long term. Teams that make this bet almost exclusively regret it

Best bet is to sell high because the odds are against high consistency variance players.. even young ones. The ones that you bet on are the ones with consistent incline.. JK has pummeled iso based teams, which is a fantastic selling point and a great weapon to have off the bench for a good team, or maybe a fringe starter in the playoffs if matchups work out. But what do you think he costs to be retained?