JennetteMcCurdy wrote:There’s no need to extend Cade - wait a year and keep flexibility.
Just like there was no need to extend Stewart last year….
True in theory but probably not in reality.
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JennetteMcCurdy wrote:There’s no need to extend Cade - wait a year and keep flexibility.
Just like there was no need to extend Stewart last year….
Invictus88 wrote:theBigLip wrote:Count me in the crazy crowd
I like BStein's post on this. There are many steps to become an elite playoff team. We're still taking baby steps. What does a restart on the rebuild even look like?
Easy.
It starts by hiring a head of basketball operations that then lets go of the current management chain and hires their own. i.e. everyone under Gores / him is gone. Donezo. One that takes an actual objective view of what we have and makes hard cuts where they are needed.
A lot of the problems we've faced up to this point have been a reluctance to move on from failed experiments and/or realistically acknowledge deficiencies of players that we have. I mean looking back now it's absolutely laughable how the current GM and coach thought that our roster heading into the season had any real shot of competing given how badly it was constructed.
Even before that the flat out refusal to dump some of our players that actually had value even when they really didn't serve much of a purpose to us (e.g. Bojan last year) is super damaging given what we could have gotten back vs. what we did.
So yeah. In the crazy crowd you are.
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:bstein14 wrote:The real question for me is how long before we're good enough to win a playoff game.
I still think that zero of these players will be on the team when Pistons win a series
JNewton wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:bstein14 wrote:The real question for me is how long before we're good enough to win a playoff game.
I still think that zero of these players will be on the team when Pistons win a series
I’m not convinced any of the players currently on the roster will still be active players in the league on any team. The Pistons are that far away from meaningful contention.
Snakebites wrote:Seriously, anyone who thinks this team is close to anything meaningful needs to tune into some playoff games.
Even the play-in games between the 9/10 teams were so much more impressive than us.
Be open to moving everyone and everything.
Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:There’s no need to extend Cade - wait a year and keep flexibility.
Just like there was no need to extend Stewart last year….
True in theory but probably not in reality.
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:There’s no need to extend Cade - wait a year and keep flexibility.
Just like there was no need to extend Stewart last year….
True in theory but probably not in reality.
See Maxey, Tyrese
Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:True in theory but probably not in reality.
See Maxey, Tyrese
Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
See Maxey, Tyrese
Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
And if he is, all flexibility is out the door. This 14 win team is built for battle.
Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:True in theory but probably not in reality.
See Maxey, Tyrese
Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
See Maxey, Tyrese
Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
Come on, you’re better than that. If the Pistons are smart, they could have lots of space for another year - no need to break the bank this year.
Billl wrote:Rent our cap space for minor assets? No. That's not a reasonable plan at this point. The team needs to start adding some guys who can actually play basketball.
We've got all the cap space in the world, recent lottery picks on the roster as trade assets, and a top5 draft pick coming, so it's not like we won't have a path towards making a big leap. I just don't trust current management to make good enough decision to get there.
Also, the direction duren takes is going to really define this rebuild. We need whoever got in Wiseman's ear last summer and got him to buy into a laser focus on defense and protecting the paint to be doing the same thing with Duren. The first 3 games of the season, he was out blocking shots, rebounding and generally looking like a beast. That was the best the team looked all season by a longshot. The rest of the year he was just flat out bad defensively.
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
See Maxey, Tyrese
Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
Come on, you’re better than that. If the Pistons are smart, they could have lots of space for another year - no need to break the bank this year.
BDM22 wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:Snakebites wrote:Maxey was a third option on an already capped out team that was better than any team that was likely to have cap space in that offseason at the time when that extension needed to be decided on. The Sixers are also a team with options that we frankly don't have.
So it's really not a comparison. The better comparison to our situation is Lamelo Ball. Harder to ask him to go out and be the man after not committing to him.
I feel like we can have discussions about this but it doesn't matter. Cade will be extended. I'd be stunned if he wasn't.
Come on, you’re better than that. If the Pistons are smart, they could have lots of space for another year - no need to break the bank this year.
Cade's cap hold is $35M next year even if we hold out on him, which is just a hair under what he'll make on a max extension anyways. That's part of being the #1 pick. Cap is gone regardless.
Waiting on Maxey's deal helps Philly because his cap hold is only $13M because of how late he was drafted. Totally different situation. No benefit in waiting unless you want the option to let Cade walk for nothing.
Canadafan wrote:BDM22 wrote:JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
Come on, you’re better than that. If the Pistons are smart, they could have lots of space for another year - no need to break the bank this year.
Cade's cap hold is $35M next year even if we hold out on him, which is just a hair under what he'll make on a max extension anyways. That's part of being the #1 pick. Cap is gone regardless.
Waiting on Maxey's deal helps Philly because his cap hold is only $13M because of how late he was drafted. Totally different situation. No benefit in waiting unless you want the option to let Cade walk for nothing.
Alrighty,so it's set. We can't kick the space down the road. This is the summer to spend....we build around Cade by adding players to our young core with our cap space. Including adding another young player by draft. Or we trade the young guys with our pick to add an impact player thats hopefully as good or better as Cade and then build it out with remaining space....or.... we trade Cade. Tank for Cooper