Re: 2023 Playoffs Round 1: Cavs (4) / Knicks (5)
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:10 am
Stream I'm watching was great in the 1st half, not so much in the 2nd half.ijspeelman wrote:My NBATV stream is buffering. I think it’s trying to save me
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Stream I'm watching was great in the 1st half, not so much in the 2nd half.ijspeelman wrote:My NBATV stream is buffering. I think it’s trying to save me
cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
TheLand13 wrote:cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
We really need to stop making posts like this and not even attempt to use our brains. Allen has played significantly more minutes than the guys who are much bigger than him and cover less ground on offense. He has very little support to work with due to a lack of bigs to back him up and we’re actually giving him **** for not being able to keep up?
This is not on our bigs not being good enough. It has nothing to do with that. Our roster was not built to handle a team like the Knicks and it shows. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people thought we would be winning in six. This was a terrible matchup for us all around.
TheLand13 wrote:cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
We really need to stop making posts like this and not even attempt to use our brains. Allen has played significantly more minutes than the guys who are much bigger than him and cover less ground on offense. He has very little support to work with due to a lack of bigs to back him up and we’re actually giving him **** for not being able to keep up?
This is not on our bigs not being good enough. It has nothing to do with that. Our roster was not built to handle a team like the Knicks and it shows. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people thought we would be winning in six. This was a terrible matchup for us all around.
Cavs are a bunch of nice guys, they don't know how to turn it off.jbk1234 wrote:cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
He seemed exhausted. Robinson outplayed him, but tonight was the first night Thibs made him stay out there, and he actually seemed tired as well. Imagine if we had Hartenstein and the roles were reversed. That said, Allen needs to learn to play angry.
jbk1234 wrote:We scored 95 points, in a close out game, at home, with our bench doing okay, and a starting backcourt of Garland/Mitchell.
afarmenian wrote:TheLand13 wrote:cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
We really need to stop making posts like this and not even attempt to use our brains. Allen has played significantly more minutes than the guys who are much bigger than him and cover less ground on offense. He has very little support to work with due to a lack of bigs to back him up and we’re actually giving him **** for not being able to keep up?
This is not on our bigs not being good enough. It has nothing to do with that. Our roster was not built to handle a team like the Knicks and it shows. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people thought we would be winning in six. This was a terrible matchup for us all around.
I will give you that, i mean i have been saying since mid season the people crying about a wing were totally oblivious to how we needed a back big just as much heck if not even more. What a abject failure for this FO to go in on Robin Lopez as the only backup true big man on the team.
But come on Allen got DOMINATED. From start to finish most games, it wasnt even close, he was exposed and he doesnt seem like the type to care is the problem that i see.
now what do you with Allen as his value is probably plummeted
afarmenian wrote:I will give you that, i mean i have been saying since mid season the people crying about a wing were totally oblivious to how we needed a back big just as much heck if not even more. What a abject failure for this FO to go in on Robin Lopez as the only backup true big man on the team.
But come on Allen got DOMINATED. From start to finish most games, it wasnt even close, he was exposed and he doesnt seem like the type to care is the problem that i see.
now what do you with Allen as his value is probably plummeted
TheLand13 wrote:afarmenian wrote:TheLand13 wrote:
We really need to stop making posts like this and not even attempt to use our brains. Allen has played significantly more minutes than the guys who are much bigger than him and cover less ground on offense. He has very little support to work with due to a lack of bigs to back him up and we’re actually giving him **** for not being able to keep up?
This is not on our bigs not being good enough. It has nothing to do with that. Our roster was not built to handle a team like the Knicks and it shows. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people thought we would be winning in six. This was a terrible matchup for us all around.
I will give you that, i mean i have been saying since mid season the people crying about a wing were totally oblivious to how we needed a back big just as much heck if not even more. What a abject failure for this FO to go in on Robin Lopez as the only backup true big man on the team.
But come on Allen got DOMINATED. From start to finish most games, it wasnt even close, he was exposed and he doesnt seem like the type to care is the problem that i see.
now what do you with Allen as his value is probably plummeted
I’m not worried about Allen. He will be fine. Mitchell’s the one we need to be raging on more than anything else.
cavs4872 wrote:afarmenian wrote:I will give you that, i mean i have been saying since mid season the people crying about a wing were totally oblivious to how we needed a back big just as much heck if not even more. What a abject failure for this FO to go in on Robin Lopez as the only backup true big man on the team.
But come on Allen got DOMINATED. From start to finish most games, it wasnt even close, he was exposed and he doesnt seem like the type to care is the problem that i see.
now what do you with Allen as his value is probably plummeted
Yeah, it's sort of bizarre how fixated people are on this 3&D wing when we have nothing in the way of paint depth. Like at least we had a rotating door of Okoro, LeVert, Osman, Stevens and Green. I haven't been paying a ton of attention to Miami/Milwaukee, but see the Heat can close them out tonight with Love as their starting PF.
JujitsuFlip wrote:Here is the core 4 after their first playoff series.
Mitchell 23.2 PPG 7.2 APG 5 RPG (43.3% FG 28.9% 3FG 72.2% FT) 3.8 TO 2 SPG - 41.4 MPG
Garland 20.6 PPG 5 APG 1.8 RPG (43.8% FG 38.7% 3FG 84% FT) 3.6 TO 1.6 SPG - 37.6 MPG
Mobley 9.8 PPG 2 APG 10 RPG (45.8% FG 0-1 from 3, 62.5% FT) 2.4 TO 1.2 BPG - 37.6 MPG
Allen 9.4 PPG 2.4 APG 7.4 RPG (61.1% FG 50% FT) 1 BPG - 38.2 MPG
jbk1234 wrote:TheLand13 wrote:afarmenian wrote:
I will give you that, i mean i have been saying since mid season the people crying about a wing were totally oblivious to how we needed a back big just as much heck if not even more. What a abject failure for this FO to go in on Robin Lopez as the only backup true big man on the team.
But come on Allen got DOMINATED. From start to finish most games, it wasnt even close, he was exposed and he doesnt seem like the type to care is the problem that i see.
now what do you with Allen as his value is probably plummeted
I’m not worried about Allen. He will be fine. Mitchell’s the one we need to be raging on more than anything else.
Not sure we should be raging on anyone, but we do need to ask hard questions, make sure our priors aren't skewing our perspective, and then be honest with ourselves about how our favorite players did.
After that, we need examine what's fixable with our FA money and making no other changes.
cavs4872 wrote:TheLand13 wrote:cavs4872 wrote:What do we take from this game and series regarding Jarrett Allen? Dude seems disinterested and disengaged: from All-Star to backup material. It's like a miracle to see him box out and grab one defensive rebound. I really don't think it's just Robinson playing out of his mind, but Allen in general is just concerning.
I also don't think it's him being gassed at this point either cause Robinson dominates him at the beginning of games too.
We really need to stop making posts like this and not even attempt to use our brains. Allen has played significantly more minutes than the guys who are much bigger than him and cover less ground on offense. He has very little support to work with due to a lack of bigs to back him up and we’re actually giving him **** for not being able to keep up?
This is not on our bigs not being good enough. It has nothing to do with that. Our roster was not built to handle a team like the Knicks and it shows. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people thought we would be winning in six. This was a terrible matchup for us all around.
I would tend to agree with this but he offers hardly anything in the way of physicality. He just must not be that guy.