Trent Johnson accepted the head coaching job at TCU this spring, a program transitioning to the Big 12. Johnson previously spent four years at Stanford and four years at LSU. Because the last three years at LSU were less successful, Johnson may have been looking to change jobs before he lost his job. But in looking back at his experience at Stanford and LSU, I am not convinced he was a worse coach at LSU.
The first thing I notice when looking at the players he recruited at both schools is how big a difference one or two players can make. Johnson’s recruiting at LSU was not substantially worse than his recruiting at Stanford, but Johnson was never able to recruit a superstar freshman to LSU of Brook Lopez's caliber. Brook was a high volume, efficient scorer, and the only thing that stopped him from playing more minutes his first season was an early season surgery. But other than Brook Lopez, Johnson hasn’t had any program changing recruits at either school. Anthony Hickey and Robin Lopez were fine freshmen, but they were not truly elite players in their first season.
Recruiting Stanford |
Fr Year |
PctMin |
Ortg |
PctPoss |
Robin Lopez |
2007 |
58% |
97.8 |
19% |
Mitch Johnson |
2006 |
56% |
77.4 |
17% |
Brook Lopez |
2007 |
53% |
100.8 |
27% |
Lawrence Hill |
2006 |
38% |
96.2 |
19% |
Landry Fields |
2007 |
33% |
97.1 |
18% |
Taj Finger |
2005 |
21% |
90.8 |
13% |
Tim Morris |
2005 |
19% |
98.0 |
20% |
Anthony Goods |
2006 |
18% |
91.7 |
17% |
Peter Prowitt |
2005 |
14% |
92.8 |
14% |
Will Paul |
2007 |
8% |
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Josh Owens |
2008 |
7% |
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Kenny Brown |
2006 |
1% |
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Average |
27% |
93.6 |
18% |
Recruiting LSU |
Fr Year |
PctMin |
Ortg |
PctPoss |
Anthony Hickey |
2012 |
77% |
98.1 |
19% |
Andre Stringer |
2011 |
76% |
94.2 |
23% |
Ralston Turner |
2011 |
63% |
92.9 |
24% |
Matt Derenbecker |
2011 |
56% |
95.5 |
17% |
Johnny O'Bryant |
2012 |
45% |
84.9 |
29% |
Aaron Dotson |
2010 |
43% |
73.0 |
16% |
Bo Spencer |
2008 |
38% |
94.0 |
15% |
Dennis Harris |
2010 |
33% |
105.0 |
18% |
John Isaac |
2012 |
33% |
82.1 |
15% |
Eddie Ludwig |
2010 |
31% |
95.1 |
14% |
Chris Bass |
2009 |
19% |
89.8 |
10% |
Garrett Green |
2008 |
19% |
89.4 |
13% |
Storm Warren |
2009 |
16% |
96.9 |
17% |
Daron Populist |
2010 |
13% |
79.1 |
11% |
Delwan Graham |
2009 |
8% |
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Jalen Courtney |
2011 |
6% |
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Average |
36% |
90.7 |
17% |
One place Johnson caught up on recruiting at LSU was in accepting transfers:
LSU Transfers |
Year |
PctMin |
Ortg |
PctPoss |
Justin Hamilton |
2012 |
74% |
110.5 |
23% |
Malcolm White |
2011 |
59% |
90.5 |
21% |
Quintin Thornton |
2009 |
32% |
102.1 |
13% |
In terms of player development, Johnson’s numbers aren’t that different at the two schools. In the next two tables, I look at changes in playing time and efficiency for all returning players. For inherited players, the change in minutes is the difference between the most recent season and the last season under the previous coach. For recruited players, the change in minutes is the difference between the most recent season and the player’s debut season with the team.
I also compare the change in ORtg for the same time period. But since shot volumes can impact efficiency, I adjust this based on the rule that 1% more possession’s used is worth 1.25 points of efficiency. Thus a player that moves from shooting 20% of the time to 24% of the time and keeps the same efficiency tallies a five point increase in his ORtg.
Player Development Stanford |
ChPctMin |
ChORtg |
Taj Finger |
23% |
38.4 |
Mitch Johnson |
22% |
27.4 |
Brook Lopez |
5% |
17.3 |
Lawrence Hill |
18% |
15.0 |
Anthony Goods |
48% |
14.7 |
Robin Lopez |
3% |
14.3 |
Dan Grunfeld |
41% |
11.4 |
Matt Haryasz |
37% |
6.7 |
Kenny Brown |
4% |
4.5 |
Landry Fields |
-5% |
3.6 |
Peter Prowitt |
-7% |
-3.3 |
Chris Hernandez |
11% |
-4.2 |
Rob Little |
0% |
-7.4 |
Nick Robinson |
21% |
-14.6 |
Tim Morris |
32% |
-15.3 |
Fred Washington |
45% |
-21.4 |
Jason Haas |
-2% |
-24.1 |
Player Development LSU |
ChPctMin |
ChORtg |
Aaron Dotson |
15% |
25.7 |
Tasmin Mitchell |
88% |
22.0 |
Garrett Green |
25% |
14.2 |
Storm Warren |
32% |
13.3 |
Bo Spencer |
49% |
10.7 |
Garrett Temple |
-10% |
9.5 |
Marcus Thornton |
-4% |
8.8 |
Alex Farrer |
-22% |
1.5 |
Andre Stringer |
-9% |
0.7 |
Malcolm White |
-37% |
-1.4 |
Eddie Ludwig |
-9% |
-3.0 |
Terry Martin |
-27% |
-4.8 |
Chris Bass |
11% |
-4.9 |
Ralston Turner |
9% |
-5.0 |
Chris Johnson |
4% |
-6.4 |
Once again, the player development numbers are not particularly different at the two schools. In both cases, Johnson has been able to take some players who were incredibly inefficient as freshmen (see Mitch Johnson at Stanford and Aaron Dotson at LSU) and turn them into passable major conference players. And plenty of other players from Chris Hernandez to Chris Johnson regressed slightly under Johnson.
So if Johnson was a similar recruiter at the two schools and had similar success at player development, why was his offense so terrible at LSU? There are really two reasons. First, Johnson had substantially more turnover at LSU. Some of that was by design after his recruiting classes flopped miserably, but with little continuity, his players were never put in a position to succeed.
But equally important was the difference in what he inherited. At LSU, Johnson inherited two senior stars (Marcus Thornton and Chris Johnson) and few other efficient players. And once Thornton and Johnson graduated, LSU’s performance fell off a cliff. But the team he inherited from Mike Montgomery at Stanford was much deeper with efficient players throughout the lineup.
Inherited Players Stanford |
PctMin |
Ortg |
PctPoss |
Chris Hernandez |
71% |
121.2 |
17% |
Nick Robinson |
62% |
103.8 |
16% |
Rob Little |
60% |
104.4 |
20% |
Matt Haryasz |
39% |
108.8 |
21% |
Dan Grunfeld |
27% |
102.0 |
19% |
Jason Haas |
25% |
96.0 |
13% |
Fred Washington |
12% |
111.1 |
22% |
Inherited Players LSU |
PctMin |
Ortg |
PctPoss |
Garrett Temple |
86% |
97.8 |
14% |
Marcus Thornton |
84% |
112.3 |
28% |
Terry Martin |
60% |
96.5 |
20% |
Chris Johnson |
60% |
105.0 |
20% |
Bo Spencer |
38% |
94.0 |
15% |
Alex Farrer |
38% |
89.9 |
13% |
Garrett Green |
19% |
89.4 |
13% |
Tasmin Mitchell |
5% |
80.6 |
28% |
But here is the ultimate problem for Trent Johnson. He does not appear to be recruiting at the level consistent with an NCAA tournament coach. He seems to do a fine job developing players, but he needs to start with good players for that to be an NCAA tournament equation.
And at TCU, despite huge strides in the last year under Jim Christian, there simply isn’t the kind of talent that will typically make the NCAA tournament in a major conference. Even if Johnson does a great job bringing his current players along, that won’t be enough for an NCAA bid. TCU needs a coach who can upgrade the caliber of player in the program, and right now Johnson doesn’t appear to have the track record to do that.
A lot of coaches can make up for a lack of talented offensive players by teaching their players to play elite defense. For example, Bruce Weber and Frank Martin are always going to be on the NCAA tournament bubble by virtue of their defense alone. But Johnson isn’t quite that consistent at teaching defense:
Team |
Years |
Avg Adj Off |
Avg Adj Def |
Stanford |
2005-2008 |
109.9 |
91.9 |
LSU |
2009-2012 |
100.2 |
96.2 |
One thing that really seems to make a difference for Johnson’s defensive scheme is having a 7 footer in the middle. His Stanford teams were at their best when they had Brook or Robin Lopez in the middle. And even this year, while Justin Hamilton was not an elite shot-blocker, his size in the middle frustrated numerous LSU opponents. Probably the most likely avenue for Johnson to succeed at TCU will be to find a few more 7 foot post players to anchor his defense, and hope to find a few special offensive players.
Bottom Line
Joining a BCS league can be a recipe for a complete disaster. Last year, Utah had a horrendous season because the caliber of talent on hand was not ready to compete in the Pac-12. (And it was a down year in the Pac-12). I think Johnson is skilled enough to keep TCU from having a disastrous season. He will bring his players along and he now has the experience to motivate players through a difficult season.
But TCU fans will be excited about the jump up to a major conference and expectations will be raised. Johnson won’t be expected to make the NCAA tournament next year, but he will be expected to make the tournament in three or four years. And the historical numbers suggest Johnson will need substantially better recruiting to make that happen.